I don't know what this threads about anymore. Guy got shot a lot and hasn't been in philly I read in 20 years. His dads back around bmaybe him to. I read Joe was down myrtle beach and sent some flowers to some old gangsters wake who died a few years back.if you take veaseys book for what its worth he was around stanfa with a chalk board trying to kill his brother. And would drive to Michael grave and piss. Veasey killed mike in august 93 got made in September and was wearing a wire by Christmas so he may if its true he got made turned rat faster then anyone.