I did grow up in a northeast liberal state and that's why I do think of legal problems. I agree with footreads that you do need illegal guns if you have legal ones. At least then you can say it was his and you got it in a struggle and shot him real quick. I've heard the horror stories of some guy who shoots an attacker and winds up in court with the state deciding whether or not he used 'an appropriate use of force'.. what if the answer is no? Now you get prison for defending yourself. It's fucked up with these gun laws