I agree. People make gotti out to be some saint or something. Or a "real" gangster. The guy was parading around the streets basically telling everybody he was the boss by the way he attracted attention. He was by no means a "real" gangster. Just because he was stupid enough to bad mouth his loyal(I guess you could call him that) underboss and he didn't flip after he was ratted on doesn't mean anything.
Agreed. Lets face it without Neil Dallacroce Gotti most likely would have never gotten made. Neil as respected a mobster as he was wasnt exactly the smartest gangster. He was a street thug similar to gotti and thats probably the reason that carlo didnt want him to be boss
I think you are exactly right, gotti was dellacroce's man. and without neil, gotti was toast.
I guess you never heard of the Faticos in Idaho, huh?
faticos, faticos, faticos, oh yeah, I know them, they live here in the woods, they own a donut shop in mcbumfug. right off highway 41.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#834413 03/24/1505:45 PM03/24/1505:45 PM
Pizza ,there is a good singer at the hardrock march 28th, i may go, lara fabian, ever hear of her? she sings in italian and english. she is half italian.if you have time she is worth it
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: bronx]
#834417 03/24/1506:32 PM03/24/1506:32 PM
Pizza ,there is a good singer at the hardrock march 28th, i may go, lara fabian, ever hear of her? she sings in italian and english. she is half italian.if you have time she is worth it
. Sure I've heard of her. She's from Belgium and she's been around for quite awhile. Nice looking girl with a great set of pipes. She can really sing, too .
Which Hard Rock, Tampa or Hollywood?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: pizzaboy]
#834419 03/24/1506:38 PM03/24/1506:38 PM
Pizza ,there is a good singer at the hardrock march 28th, i may go, lara fabian, ever hear of her? she sings in italian and english. she is half italian.if you have time she is worth it
I know who she is very good I heard her sing in French.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Footreads]
#834424 03/24/1506:58 PM03/24/1506:58 PM
Lets be honest, it has to stand to reason that Chin was a little fearful of Gotti. To say that Bobby Manna was on his own when he was planning on trying to clip Gotti and that he had not sanctioned it. Chin wasn't a perfect boss just like Gotti wasn't. But to say Gotti wouldn't have gotten made is getting a little crazy. A lot of revisionist history going on.
So are you saying Bobby Manna was tougher than Chin? Idk too much about Manna I just read about him in Phil Leonetti's book.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Tonytough]
#838387 04/20/1510:32 AM04/20/1510:32 AM
manna got permission, no question. i did not have to be there to know that..if you went behind chin's back ,you were in a trunk
No doubt whatsoever. And we're not talking about just anyone here. Manna absolutely worshipped the ground that Vince walked on. No way this hit was gonna be on the sneak.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
#838391 04/20/1511:07 AM04/20/1511:07 AM
Lets be honest, it has to stand to reason that Chin was a little fearful of Gotti. To say that Bobby Manna was on his own when he was planning on trying to clip Gotti and that he had not sanctioned it. Chin wasn't a perfect boss just like Gotti wasn't. But to say Gotti wouldn't have gotten made is getting a little crazy. A lot of revisionist history going on.
So are you saying Bobby Manna was tougher than Chin? Idk too much about Manna I just read about him in Phil Leonetti's book.
Yeah Bobby Manna and Scarfo had a pretty close relationship going back to time they spet in prison. In regards to what Facchia said about Chin being araid of Gotti i dont buy that. Chin was actually a smart boss because not only did he use the "crazy" routine effectively but he also used front bosses to shield him away from heat.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Tonytough]
#838470 04/21/1502:10 AM04/21/1502:10 AM
To say that the Chin was "afraid" of Gotti, is like saying that Stephen Hawking is afraid of a physics student....as bosses, they couldn't be further apart..both in style and substance.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Tonytough]
#838477 04/21/1505:05 AM04/21/1505:05 AM
Despite them being different bosses, I think it's kind of stupid to say that Chin wasn't afraid of Gotti. I mean, we're talking about killers here, both of them, who were in charge of big families. There had to be at least some thoughts in Chin's head(after the failed bombing and whatnot) that Gotti might try to seek revenge. But I'd say that's pretty normal for the lifestyle they lived, you never knew who'd go after you and why. I mean, shit, Gotti did take out his own boss.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Tonytough]
#838480 04/21/1506:05 AM04/21/1506:05 AM
Yea, I think Chin had concern about Gotti, not fear. The sit down they had, in which Gotti brags about making his son, and Chin goes "I'm sorry to hear that", then basically moves on to the next subject. Anyone who feared Gotti wouldn't have spoken to him that way. All of Gotti's guys kissed his ass, they worshipped him, Nicky Scarfo had some sort of bond with the guy because they thought alike, the Chin was his complete opposite, and he knew it, I think he felt that in so many ways he was the superior human being to John Gotti, at least a superior mobster anyway. The Chin was of a different breed, I think he was as aware of that as those around him.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Tonytough]
#838486 04/21/1509:02 AM04/21/1509:02 AM
Gotti was a tough guy BUT he wasnt feared by many like some suggest. Maybe his underlings were scared mostly because they couldnt think for themselves(bergin crew were a bunch of morons to be honest). Im still trying to see evidence to suggest Chin was afraid of Gotti lol.
Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: CleanBandit]
#838498 04/21/1501:08 PM04/21/1501:08 PM
Despite them being different bosses, I think it's kind of stupid to say that Chin wasn't afraid of Gotti. I mean, we're talking about killers here, both of them, who were in charge of big families. There had to be at least some thoughts in Chin's head(after the failed bombing and whatnot) that Gotti might try to seek revenge. But I'd say that's pretty normal for the lifestyle they lived, you never knew who'd go after you and why. I mean, shit, Gotti did take out his own boss.
taking out your own boss in your own fractured family (certainly was at that time), and taking out the most powerful boss on the commission is quite another...if Gotti even momentarily considered that action, he would have quickly been set straight by the likes of Frankie Loc and the just reality in general...what you are implying is pure fantasy.