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Re: Sonny from "A Bronx Tale" [Re: baldo] #831777
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Its hard to imagine for someone who hasent grown up in that era and in those neighbourhoods of NY,that a guy like Sonny or a real gangster like Vario had such control of a certain part of the city.You really had to be there.
As I understand it Vario was the real power behind East NY Brownswile part of NY.
Thats what Bronx tale shows.Love that scene when C and Sonny sit in the car and drive to the bar in reverse.Sonny lived in that nhood all his life,never moving to the burbs.Although I dont like Brancatos acting at all and feel they could found somebody else,on the other hand loved Chazz s potrail of a gangster.
Dont know if somebody will get mad at me for saying this but thats how I feel.

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Scorsese was being ironic. And at the same time, showing the hypocrisy that most people are capable of (especially in the xenophobic world of the New York mob back then). I'm certain it was deliberate. Scorsese can subtly teach you something without preaching about it. That's a gift that can't be taught.






Paulie:I don't like these people.

Rocky : You don't like em'? Well maybe they don't like you either Paulie.

Paulie: What'd I ever do to them?


Scorcese and Stallone should never be mentioned in the same paragraph, but I thought this little exchange between Rocky and Pauliie had a similar effect.From Rocky 3, when they go back to Apollo's old gym

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That's a great analogy, Gets. Good scene. Paulie was one of those characters who you appreciated in spite of all his faults because of his one great attribute: His loyalty to Rocky.

Sure, he might have mooched off Rocky for a while. But after Rocky lost everything, he didn't run away. Most "entourages" are made up of yes men and sycophants who will dump a wealthy celebrity the minute things start going south. They were "old neighborhood" friends for life. And that's why I liked Paulie.


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Re: Sonny from "A Bronx Tale" [Re: pizzaboy] #831817
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Not only did I like Paulie's character, I thought he was the most imposing opponent Rocky had in the whole series.Forget Drago , drunk angry Paulie with the baseball bat in the first film would have F'ed Rocky up.

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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What I found brave about Scorcese's script is that he has Tommy saying this line, when earlier in the film he was complaining about prejudice against Italians. "Can you imagine a Jewish broad being prejudiced against Italians...in this day and age?"

Scorsese was being ironic. And at the same time, showing the hypocrisy that most people are capable of (especially in the xenophobic world of the New York mob back then). I'm certain it was deliberate. Scorsese can subtly teach you something without preaching about it. That's a gift that can't be taught.

I think you nailed it. I say this all the damn time...there will NEVER be a better movie about the mafia. The combination of a genius film maker and a guy who actually grew up around these guys and at this time...thats just something that can't be recreated. Sorry...I'm a total Scorsese fanboy.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Pizza,
Not only did I like Paulie's character, I thought he was the most imposing opponent Rocky had in the whole series.Forget Drago , drunk angry Paulie with the baseball bat in the first film would have F'ed Rocky up.




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Pizza,
Not only did I like Paulie's character, I thought he was the most imposing opponent Rocky had in the whole series.Forget Drago , drunk angry Paulie with the baseball bat in the first film would have F'ed Rocky up.




Best line "I don't sweat you"

Burt Young. Tough guy in real life. He was close to Vinny DiNapoli. They had the restaurant together on Gun Hill. Il Boschetto. He came to Vinny's funeral when a lot of Hollywood phonies would have stayed away. He's still tight with Stevie, too.

Excellent character actor. I give him lots of credit for sticking it out with the acting career. He easily could have said fuck it and hit the street during the lean years. Good guy.


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Chazz has said that the movie is based on his life. He said that he dated an African American girl when he as a teenager and that he was befriended by a local monster. Whether that's true or not I have no idea. Does anybody have any idea who this mobster is though?

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
Chazz has said that the movie is based on his life. He said that he dated an African American girl when he as a teenager and that he was befriended by a local monster. Whether that's true or not I have no idea. Does anybody have any idea who this mobster is though?

Have you read any of my posts?

The part about the Black girl was not in the original play. The Sonny character is a composite, if that. He's not based on a real person. I lived in that neighborhood during that era. Chazz perfectly captured the SPIRIT of the neighborhood. But most of it never happened.

And please don't link me to articles about Chazz and the Black girl. What's he gonna say after DeNiro made him famous? I saw the play on the East Side in 1989. There wasn't a peep about a Black girl. DeNiro added that, and it worked. When Chazz revived the play a few years ago he had to put the Black girl in it. What choice did he have?

It doesn't diminish what Chazz has accomplished at all. But no one was shot over a parking space, a neighborhood boss wasn't shot in a local bar, and a car full of teenaged Italian bigots didn't burn to death on Webster Avenue. Trust me on that.


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Best name in Hollywood.

Chazz Palminteri.



His birth-name's pretty cool too.


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Re: Sonny from "A Bronx Tale" [Re: pizzaboy] #831934
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: cheech
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Pizza,
Not only did I like Paulie's character, I thought he was the most imposing opponent Rocky had in the whole series.Forget Drago , drunk angry Paulie with the baseball bat in the first film would have F'ed Rocky up.




Best line "I don't sweat you"

Burt Young. Tough guy in real life. He was close to Vinny DiNapoli. They had the restaurant together on Gun Hill. Il Boschetto. He came to Vinny's funeral when a lot of Hollywood phonies would have stayed away. He's still tight with Stevie, too.

Excellent character actor. I give him lots of credit for sticking it out with the acting career. He easily could have said fuck it and hit the street during the lean years. Good guy.


Where in the Bronx was IL Boschetto PB?

Re: Sonny from "A Bronx Tale" [Re: alexandarns] #831942
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Originally Posted By: alexandarns
Where in the Bronx was IL Boschetto PB?

Towards the east end of Gun Hill Road, by I95. Not too far from Co-Op City.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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Where in the Bronx was IL Boschetto PB?

Towards the east end of Gun Hill Road, by I95. Not too far from Co-Op City.


Yes,just googled it,thanks PB.Was it any good.The rewievs say it was the best italian food in the Bronx?

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years ago I would go to Gino's Cafe on Allerton Avenue and Chazz was always there. Also, I remember when he was the Doorman at the Limelight Disco in the '80's in NYC, where I guess he met Peter Gatien who I believe produced his movie. I used to like Gino's. Too bad they closed

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Originally Posted By: alexandarns
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Where in the Bronx was IL Boschetto PB?

Towards the east end of Gun Hill Road, by I95. Not too far from Co-Op City.


Yes,just googled it,thanks PB.Was it any good.The rewievs say it was the best italian food in the Bronx?

It was very good, but I wouldn't call it the best.


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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
years ago I would go to Gino's Cafe on Allerton Avenue and Chazz was always there.

Great place. Right around the corner from the White Castle on Boston Road. The movie would lead you to believe that Gino's was on or around Arthur Avenue. But, as you know, it wasn't even in the neighborhood.

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I used to like Gino's. Too bad they closed

It's a shame what happened there. The son went to one of the best cooking schools in the world, they dumped a ton of money into renovations, and then they lost the building lease. That neighborhood can't support an Italian restaurant today. Things change.


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You're right PB a sad story.

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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Where in the Bronx was IL Boschetto PB?

Towards the east end of Gun Hill Road, by I95. Not too far from Co-Op City.


Yes,just googled it,thanks PB.Was it any good.The rewievs say it was the best italian food in the Bronx?

It was very good, but I wouldn't call it the best.


Typed on google top 10 italian rest in NYC,and they only mention rest downtown,no outher borough spots or older than 5 years.Could that be or is it some kind of yuppi shit goin on?

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Originally Posted By: alexandarns
Typed on google top 10 italian rest in NYC,and they only mention rest downtown,no outher borough spots or older than 5 years.Could that be or is it some kind of yuppi shit goin on?

Il Boschetto has been gone for longer than that, Alex. It was a Jamaican place for awhile. That neighborhood is mostly Haitian and Jamaican now anyway. I'm not even sure what's there now.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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Typed on google top 10 italian rest in NYC,and they only mention rest downtown,no outher borough spots or older than 5 years.Could that be or is it some kind of yuppi shit goin on?

Il Boschetto has been gone for longer than that, Alex. It was a Jamaican place for awhile. That neighborhood is mostly Haitian and Jamaican now anyway. I'm not even sure what's there now.


I think its an italian and latino place in one.Thanks pb

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Originally Posted By: alexandarns
I think its an italian and latino place in one.

Yeah, that'll work lol.


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Originally Posted By: alexandarns

I think its an italian and latino place in one.Thanks pb



Rocky: Come on, we're about to serve today's special.

Paulie: Italian food cooked up by a bunch of Mexicans ain't so special Rocko.

From Rocky Balboa.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Paulie: Italian food cooked up by a bunch of Mexicans ain't so special Rocko.

Paulie ought to know that Mexicans and South Americans do the bulk of the cooking in nearly every restaurant in the city lol.


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Ive heard of the New corner restaurant in Dyker heights,we even disccused it on this forum.It was the hangout of Armand Rava.I mention it because my unce celebrated his birthday a few years ago.PB you ever been there?Or anybody from south brooklyn,immpressions..?

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It used to be very good. Old school red sauce type food. I haven't been there in years but I hear it's now just so so.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
Chazz has said that the movie is based on his life. He said that he dated an African American girl when he as a teenager and that he was befriended by a local monster. Whether that's true or not I have no idea. Does anybody have any idea who this mobster is though?

Have you read any of my posts?

The part about the Black girl was not in the original play. The Sonny character is a composite, if that. He's not based on a real person. I lived in that neighborhood during that era. Chazz perfectly captured the SPIRIT of the neighborhood. But most of it never happened.

And please don't link me to articles about Chazz and the Black girl. What's he gonna say after DeNiro made him famous? I saw the play on the East Side in 1989. There wasn't a peep about a Black girl. DeNiro added that, and it worked. When Chazz revived the play a few years ago he had to put the Black girl in it. What choice did he have?

It doesn't diminish what Chazz has accomplished at all. But no one was shot over a parking space, a neighborhood boss wasn't shot in a local bar, and a car full of teenaged Italian bigots didn't burn to death on Webster Avenue. Trust me on that.


I believe you. I haven't really been reading your posts on this thread so I didn't really see you mention anything. But was the part about a mobster befriending him fiction as well? I would assume that it was if everything else was. But you're right it doesn't diminish what he's done.

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