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Re: The mob during the crack era
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They were wholesaling coke for sure. The young guys probably sold crack to an extent. It wasn't an official family business from what I know, but when you have thousands of connected criminals in a city, some are gonna have a coke connect and they're gonna use it. Not to mention they were mostly sniffing coke back then so suppliers were in their circles.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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Crack = Cocaine + Baking soda
The mob dealt with coke heavily, the main ingredient in making crack. The rest is basic, I mean I could learn how to make it just from a recipe on the net.
The mob rarely handled distribution of the product on the streets so they were mostly involved in moving wholesale product or as middlemen.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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Freebase cocaine is the technical name for crack, they're not different drugs. Look it up.
In freebase form it's almost completely pure due to the process and the route of administration by smoking. You're basically getting pure cocaine into your body in one of the fastest acting routes of administration (except for IV) so yeah, it's VERY addictive.
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-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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That would be called "freebase" It was around in the early 70's do not believe all the stuff you hear now days..
When it got to the blacks it became crack and they went nutz over that shit,selling everything too get it.Then to sell it.. I thought you were implying that somehow "freebase" is different from crack. It doesn't matter where you learned about it, with things like drugs it's better to learn from a book/online than from the streets because there's plenty of myths and wrong info out there that people claim as truth. I'm not trying to nitpick or anything I was just correcting you, assuming you meant they're different.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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Oh no I believe ya, I'm sure they add all sort of things nowadays to maximize profits, even lethal ones, the customers be damned if they die or not. At least back then they thought enough ahead that the costumer should be well enough to come back and buy his next dose, but not anymore. lol. I'm just talking about the pharmacology of the drugs because it's something I know a lot about, mostly from reading but even from being around it. Where I live crack is pretty much unheard of thank God. Here it's still the classics - Dope, Coke and Pot.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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i dont think it was the bath avenue that was running the crack trade in bensonhurst it was a luchesse connected group led by james galione.
Officials Say Mafia Ran Crack Ring In Brooklyn
By RANDY KENNEDY
Published: October 2, 1996 In a case that law enforcement officials said erodes the myth that the Mafia will not stoop to street-level drug dealing, the United States Attorney in Brooklyn announced the arrest yesterday of 40 people believed to be members of a crack-cocaine ring operated by the Lucchese crime family.
The arrests, made before dawn by hundreds of city police officers and Federal agents, were all the more unusual because prosecutors said the dealers found their customers on the streets of Bensonhurst and Bay Ridge, two largely middle-class Brooklyn neighborhoods thought to have escaped the scourge of crack that swept through the city beginning in the 1980's.
Relying on wiretaps, surveillance and the accounts of former drug dealers who cooperated after being arrested, prosecutors said yesterday that the ring -- under the control of James Galione, a ''made'' or inducted member of the Lucchese family -- had assumed control of most crack and powder cocaine dealing in the neighborhoods as early as 1992.
''In the first instance, Galione actually took over existing street-level crack sales through these neighborhoods and inserted his own crack distributors,'' said Eric Friedberg, the chief of narcotics prosecution in the United States Attorney's office. To consolidate the family's control and increase its profits, Mr. Friedberg said, Mr. Galione exacted a ''street tax'' from other dealers not working for him, supposedly to protect them from rivals.
''In reality,'' he said, ''the tax insured the sellers' continued sales would be free from violent retribution by Galione and his managers.''
Mr. Galione's dealers, prosecutors said, were mostly men in their 20's who lived in the neighborhoods and relied on pagers and sophisticated codes to meet customers and deliver cocaine, in plastic bags, envelopes, and in one case, a Styrofoam cup.
Investigators were unable to say how much money the ring took in, but Carlo A. Boccia, the agent in charge of the New York field division of the Drug Enforcement Agency, said that more than $100,000 was passed on each week to Mr. Galione and other captains, including George Conte, who is now in prison awaiting sentencing in an unrelated murder and racketeering case. Mr. Galione's lawyer, Harry C. Batchelder Jr., did not return telephone calls to his office yesterday.
While the Lucchese family has been associated with the drug trade before -- the former head of the family was convicted in 1974 of running a huge heroin ring -- prosecutors said yesterday that its hands-on involvement with street-corner crack sales was unprecedented.
''Normally, one doesn't think of the local crack pusher as being affiliated with organized crime,'' Mr. Friedberg said. ''But in this case, that's what we found.''
Mr. Galione, who was also charged yesterday in an unrelated murder and racketeering case, was arraigned yesterday at the United States Courthouse in Brooklyn along with the 39 other defendants. All were held pending bail hearings next week.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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Many of these were very young and had become millionaires over night surely that would have made them targets for extortion from career criminals.
They were targeted by other dudes from their backgrounds who knew where they lived, where the stash houses were, where the safes were ,etc Mafia button men would have stood out too much in the environments that these crack kingpins operated in. Also as Scorcese pointed out about the Supreme team.....there was a hit put on a uniform in broad daylight..so I don't think some of the larger crews were gonna be afraid of the mob.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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So the crack explosion really took the mob by surprise as it did most people and by the time they would have realised ho much money was been made, the crews selling the crack had become too powerful for the mob to exploit.
Is there any stories where they had mixed together, either in night clubs or in jail? With the racist attitudes of the time, you would think the two groups would have come into conflict at some point.
Also as a side point "Only built for cuban links" the album by Raekwon was heavily mafia influenced and very popular in its time. I wonder how the crack dealers viewed the mafia at the time and would they have shown the respect when coming into contact with them? There were a lot of crack rings and organisations operating in the city at that time, i don't see how they could exploit it anymore than the dealers themselves. Gambino turncoat andrew didonato claims to have shaken drug dealers down in brooklyn. However he doesn't really give much detail. Another guy who was around into the 90s was ronald bumps basset who ran ran large numbers racket and heroin distribution was a contemporary of fat cat nichols may have had some lcn ties cause they both used to work for pops freeman who was allegedly affiliated with the genovese family. Whether or not he continued that relationship into the 80s i don't know. He was actually convicted again in 2013 for heroin trafficking.
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