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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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01/20/15 11:28 AM
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http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-My-Father-John-Gotti-ebook/dp/B00S33XEPY/ref=zg_bsnr_11314_1Junior Gotti says - presumably with a straight face - that the Feds had to rig the game to bring his father to justice. After his father rigged two juries!  He complains about the big scene that accompanied his 2008 arrest. Says he wasn't a flight risk so it wasn't necessary. Yes, Junior. Just like Persico, Amuso, Casso and Massino weren't flight risks when they fled to escape justice.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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01/21/15 02:24 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...son-memoir.htmlEven if I believed that Gotti died due to intentional neglect, which I don't for one second, he hardly expects sympathy after all the people his father ordered to die excruciating deaths? I found Junior Gotti to be very deceptive, and disingenuous, in the 60 Minutes interview. I would take a lot of the book with a pinch of salt. Pure propaganda.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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01/21/15 06:28 AM
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The government harassed this family based on the sins of the father. If anything, I believe Junior did the thing that men should do...care for and support his wife and kids. Junior got in on the tail end of the good ole days, it wasn't the same LCN that his father was a part of. Of course he can't say certain things, his freedom is at stake. Junior was nobody's fool and was nobody to fool with.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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01/21/15 06:40 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...son-memoir.htmlEven if I believed that Gotti died due to intentional neglect, which I don't for one second, he hardly expects sympathy after all the people his father ordered to die excruciating deaths? I found Junior Gotti to be very deceptive, and disingenuous, in the 60 Minutes interview. I would take a lot of the book with a pinch of salt. Pure propaganda. Moe, if you think for one minute that Gotti Sr's health wasnt grossly neglected in prison then you obviously live in the land of oz and you are very naive. I found Gotti JR to be very genuine and well spoken during his 60 minutes interview.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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01/21/15 07:54 AM
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Even if I believed that Gotti died due to intentional neglect, which I don't for one second, he hardly expects sympathy after all the people his father ordered to die excruciating deaths? I wouldn't want to get a flu shot in Federal Prison, let alone cancer care. I've seen those prison wards with my own eyes while visiting a sick inmate. It's shameful. The prison hospital at Lewisburg makes Bellevue look like the Mayo Clinic. Furthermore, it's the Government's hypocrisy that makes Gotti a sympathetic figure to some people (not to me, though). You already mentioned that Vicki stated that the Feds had to cheat to put Gotti away, and you correctly pointed out that Gotti fixed two juries himself. But the Government (especially Holier-Than-Thou types like Gleeson and Mouw) needs to be held to a higher standard. And making a deal with a serial killer and denying Gotti his regular counsel was not a higher standard. They had to lower themselves to his level to win. But they're supposed to be the good guys. And if it was my father who died because of what started out as a simple oral cancer, which has a highly successful cure rate, then I'd be pissed off, too.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: HairyKnuckles]
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01/21/15 09:19 AM
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I would red it if I had a kindle. What´s a kindle? (Pizzaboy told me/forced me to ask) Wiseass . Buy a tablet. A good one, though. Best of both worlds. It doesn't even have to be an iPad. You can grab an 8 or 9 inch ASUS or Samsung for less than $200 when they're on sale. Best part is, you can get a plan that suits your needs. When you're at home, you use your own Wi-Fi to save on the data charges.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: ThreeTomatos]
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01/21/15 10:39 AM
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I meant to ask do I need a kindle to buy this book? I've never bought an e-book before have a Samsung tablet Just go to the Google Play store and look for the Amazon Kindle app. It's free, and you can take it from there. Just as good for reading as a Nook or Kindle, if not better.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: pizzaboy]
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01/21/15 06:01 PM
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Even if I believed that Gotti died due to intentional neglect, which I don't for one second, he hardly expects sympathy after all the people his father ordered to die excruciating deaths? I wouldn't want to get a flu shot in Federal Prison, let alone cancer care. I've seen those prison wards with my own eyes while visiting a sick inmate. It's shameful. The prison hospital at Lewisburg makes Bellevue look like the Mayo Clinic. Furthermore, it's the Government's hypocrisy that makes Gotti a sympathetic figure to some people (not to me, though). You already mentioned that Vicki stated that the Feds had to cheat to put Gotti away, and you correctly pointed out that Gotti fixed two juries himself. But the Government (especially Holier-Than-Thou types like Gleeson and Mouw) needs to be held to a higher standard. And making a deal with a serial killer and denying Gotti his regular counsel was not a higher standard. They had to lower themselves to his level to win. But they're supposed to be the good guys. And if it was my father who died because of what started out as a simple oral cancer, which has a highly successful cure rate, then I'd be pissed off, too. People are naive if they don't think Prosecutors have a massive advantage in these federal cases, let alone these mafia cases. Their conviction rate in these mafia cases is easily 90%+ and it isn't because they play fair. They play for keeps- ethical rules be damned.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: DuesPaid]
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01/21/15 06:02 PM
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It started off pretty good, I am puttin down Little AL and moving forward with this one.
I will catch up with Al later. Gotti Jr is a hundred times more interesting than Little Al. You don't get the nickname "little al" or "the professor" by being interesting.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: LittleNicky]
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01/22/15 01:31 AM
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Their conviction rate in these mafia cases is easily 90%+ and it isn't because they play fair. They play for keeps- ethical rules be damned. They bat 900 because they get indicments when the preponderance of evidence overwhelmingly points to conviction. To state the conviction rate is 90% because they're unethical is more than slightly incorrect.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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01/22/15 02:40 AM
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Their conviction rate in these mafia cases is easily 90%+ and it isn't because they play fair. They play for keeps- ethical rules be damned. They bat 900 because they get indicments when the preponderance of evidence overwhelmingly points to conviction. To state the conviction rate is 90% because they're unethical is more than slightly incorrect. Good point.
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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01/22/15 05:08 AM
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Their conviction rate in these mafia cases is easily 90%+ and it isn't because they play fair. They play for keeps- ethical rules be damned. They bat 900 because they get indicments when the preponderance of evidence overwhelmingly points to conviction. To state the conviction rate is 90% because they're unethical is more than slightly incorrect. Where do you live sonny? It's beyond a reasonable doubt in every us jurisdiction. I would point you to several books from former prosecutors making this point- about prosecutorial leverage at a federal level- but I doubt you have any interest in actually learning something.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Excerpts from Junior Gotti's new book
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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01/22/15 05:27 AM
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I gotta agree with LittleNicky here.. the govt has been known to bend the rules to convict people, and if it's a Mafia case? Forget about it, you're going away for a very long time. Not only that but if you've spit in their faces, they WILL retaliate, one way or another... and something like neglecting Gotti's health (which we're discussing here) is not entirely beneath them.
The prosecutors, especially on federal cases are always tight with the feds/cops, and probably close to the judges too. My point is that if the govt wants your head they'll get it whether you're guilty or not, truth be damned. We joke around by comparing them to the mob, but honestly it's a spot-on comparison.
-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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