1 registered members (Capri),
62
guests, and 31
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Toodoped: a bird told me that the zipper pants site is slowly going down lol lol lol
Toodoped: The best fun for me is being the puppeteer of a complete idiot lol lol
Toodoped: ...and screw all paywalls and paying sites. They wont give you shit
Toodoped: Someone needs to unzip lots of zipper pants, so she or it can give birth to the Button Guys lol lol
Toodoped: I said I creep and I crawl and I creep and I crawl And I creep and I crawl creep creep lol
Toodoped: Lots of "amnesia"...some people are posting the same stuff over and over, and every time they are happy like small kids lol
Toodoped: a small reminder...screw all paywalls!
Toodoped: Anyone heard from @BigTuna? He is absent for quite some time...I hope is ok
Toodoped: Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Toodoped: Thanks buddy! We should continue fighting against these lying paying sites and to protect everyone on this forum, especially the younger generation or posters.
Toodoped: these days lots of people that I know lost their families and everything they had because its legit and even youngsters can chip in
Toodoped: Same as the mob paying sites...ppl pay for "Disneyland" and wiki mob stuff, something which they can find it on their own with a simple google search
VanillaLimeCoke: Lousy school violence these days. Not even a 6th of the way through September and we've already had a psychotic violent school shooting.
Toodoped: Word. Few days ago, over here, they caught one teenager with a gun and more than 60 bullets, while going to school. I wonder what was his plan ?!
Toodoped: Damn....the retard slowly became a stalker and he's following me whenever I make a post so he can bump up his own $0,5 "projects" lol lol "IT" is finished and I love it lol
Toodoped: still talking to yourself, a stupido?! lol lol
Toodoped: hahahahahaha I can do it all day long
Toodoped: Cant believe this shit...im off to find some real pussy
Toodoped: aaaaand....the retarded stalker is back again
Toodoped: For those who enjoyed the "TD's Free Outfit Articles 2023/24" thread, well thanks to @TB for making it a sticky on the first page in the OC forum so everyone can enjoy it. Again, I want to personally say thanks to TB, JGeoff and the whole GBB forum. Salut
VanillaLimeCoke: I can’t take it anymore. Everything has gotta change. Or at least a lot.
Toodoped: Screw the world bro...the main thing today is to take care of you and yours.
VanillaLimeCoke: I’m hoping and praying that 2025 will be so much better. …. for real …. Too
Giacomo_Vacari: Damn, he is posting the same things over and over, nothing new. Watch out the flu is bad this year. January 20th Trump gets sworn in, and hopefully turn things around.
VanillaLimeCoke: Yeah, but they’re already planning things so he can’t turn them around
VanillaLimeCoke: Biden’s pardened over 8000 people, most of which were issued in the last 2-3 months
hoodlum: Yes, most likely 2 piss off that crybaby & compulsive liar now sadly in office.
Jason1969: Hey! After applying months ago, I finally got my button and was accepted as a member!
NYMafia: Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in!
hoodlum: My 15 yr. old grandson who thinks his generation invented all got into a small debate.....I asked him 2 explain the old (Archie Bunkeresque) tale..."You don't buy beer,,,,You rent it..Needless 2 say , he was dumfounded ....stupid little fuck...
NYMafia: Hey! Paisan. Thatsa Somma Spicy Meeta Balla U Gotta Da, Kid!
NYMafia: ...Take Alka-Seltzer for fast relief
NYMafia: It’s all about the rhythm, gotta have rhythm.
VanillaLimeCoke: Let us take a moment to remember the fallen ones for this Memorial Day Weekend
NYMafia: It you’re playing a game of poker and you look around the table and can’t tell who the sucker is...it’s you.
NYMafia: Thank you, VanillaLimeCoke.
NYMafia: "There's a sucker born every minute..and two to take him. ~ P.T. Barnum
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,528
Posts1,093,195
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,254 Mar 13th, 2025
|
|
|
What if Sonny & Michael ruled together?
#824241
01/16/15 09:39 AM
01/16/15 09:39 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762 Anytown, USA
goombah
OP
|
OP

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762
Anytown, USA
|
There is part in the novel where Sonny says he was "waiting for you (Michael) to become my (Sonny's) right-arm." I think the dynamic of the two brothers running the Corleone Family would have made for an interesting twist to the storyline. It was quite obvious that Michael & Sonny were opposites in many ways: in demeanor, temperament, strategically, and intelligence. What if Sonny had not been killed and he ruled the Corleone Family with Michael after Vito retired or had Vito died from the Sollozzo attempt?
It’s obvious Michael only reluctantly entered the family business after Sollozzo tried to kill Vito. Let’s assume that still happened and Vito was incapacitated. Michael still had to flee to Sicily after killing McCluskey & Sollozzo. But what if none of the Five Families were able to knock off Sonny while Michael was hiding? So Michael comes home, Vito has recovered from his gunshot wounds but is no longer running the Corleone Family. Instead, a dual-power structure is in place with Vito’s two sons: Santino & Michael.
I think the first result is that Tom Hagen no longer has any power and is simply the Family's lawyer to maintain the appearance of legitimacy. As the novel explained, the aftermath of Vito’s shooting showed several differences between Sonny & Michael. Sonny was too often blood-thirsty. When reviewing the list of men to be killed, Michael questioned his brother and was told to “stay out of it.” Michael further showed his difference of opinion saying “that’s not how Pop would’ve played it” and advising Sonny to wait before killing more family enemies. I think these differences would have made for some interesting battles between the two brothers.
As we later saw in GFII, Michael lost a lot of his humanity and became so ruthless that killing a brother (Fredo) was not out of the realm of possibility. I think that over time, Michael and Sonny could have drifted further apart and a power struggle could have ensued. I believe that Michael had enough cunning in him that he "could've outfought Santino."
It would be an interesting debate as to who would have come out on top. On the one hand, Puzo mentioned that it was actually Santino who devised the plan to take out the heads of the Five Families. Yet it was Michael who actually executed the plan to perfection. Sonny's obvious weakness was his temper and I think Michael would have definitely been able to use that against Sonny. But Sonny was no dummy either and probably could have figured out a way to kill Michael if there were no other alternatives.
|
|
|
Re: What if Sonny & Michael ruled together?
[Re: goombah]
#824246
01/16/15 10:23 AM
01/16/15 10:23 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,725 AZ
Turnbull
|

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,725
AZ
|
Well-posed scenario, Goombah.  I interpreted the passage in the novel to mean that Sonny was waiting for Michael to drop his Ivy League persona and help Sonny wipe out the "f***s who are trying to kill our father." I didn't interpret it to mean that Sonny wanted Michael in the family business (not what Vito said he wanted for Michael), but it's not impossible to imagine Sonny needing Michael's help down the road, or if Vito had died. BUT: Vito wanted Michael to become "Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone..." But I think he wanted Michael in high office so he could help with the legitimization of the family enterprise. As Senator or Governor, Michael would work, with Vito's help, to legalize gambling in New York or nationwide--the better to channel the Corleone gaming empire into legal casinos (as Michael later did in Nevada). Michael could also use Vito's labor support not only to help him get ahead, but to gain political allies for the cause by channeling labor money and votes to other politicians who could be converted to legalize gambling). Sonny would head the muscle side of the business during this transition. That would be an ever-diminishing role if Vito's scenario played out. I can readily envision Sonny resenting his little brother, leading to conflict--and violence. It'd make a swell story for another movie or novel.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
|
|
|
Re: What if Sonny & Michael ruled together?
[Re: Turnbull]
#824254
01/16/15 11:54 AM
01/16/15 11:54 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762 Anytown, USA
goombah
OP
|
OP

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762
Anytown, USA
|
Well-posed scenario, Goombah.  I interpreted the passage in the novel to mean that Sonny was waiting for Michael to drop his Ivy League persona and help Sonny wipe out the "f***s who are trying to kill our father." I didn't interpret it to mean that Sonny wanted Michael in the family business (not what Vito said he wanted for Michael), but it's not impossible to imagine Sonny needing Michael's help down the road, or if Vito had died. BUT: Turnbull, nor did I interpret that Sonny tried to lure Michael into the family business. But re-reading my post I now see that I didn't make that clear in writing, even though what you said is what I was thinking.  Thanks for making the point how I intended. I think that is one of the brilliant storylines of the novel that should not have been left out of the film. Sonny calling Michael's b.s. and saying "it's about time you joined us." Which to me begs another question. It is quite clear from the novel and the film that Vito was highly intelligent. From his own experiences, Vito knows that politicians, judges, and police were very easily bribed/bought. Why would Vito want to make his own flesh & blood part of the "same hypocrisy" that he held with such contempt? I get that having Michael in would be beneficial to the Corleone empire, but for a man with such high standards, it seems to me that Vito would have been selling out putting in his son. I could see a nephew or other familiy associate as a well-placed pawn, but this just seems like too big of a contradiction to my eyes.
|
|
|
Re: What if Sonny & Michael ruled together?
[Re: goombah]
#824411
01/17/15 06:52 AM
01/17/15 06:52 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 385 Tampa, FL
waynethegame
Capo
|
Capo
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 385
Tampa, FL
|
I always interpreted that line as meaning Sonny wanted Michael to stop pretending that he was some wimp. Remember that Michael was a Captain in the Marines and fought in the Pacific, so he already had good leadership and combat skills. I think Sonny might have wanted him to be underboss or something, handle the men and logistics (things he would have already done in the Marines) and deal with the Corleone's enemies. Instead he acted like this kind of reluctant guy who was tired of war and wanted to be a math professor, and not a war hero.
Wayne
"Finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger." Don Lucchesi
|
|
|
Re: What if Sonny & Michael ruled together?
[Re: Its_da_Jackeeettttttt]
#824990
01/21/15 09:51 AM
01/21/15 09:51 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762 Anytown, USA
goombah
OP
|
OP

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762
Anytown, USA
|
While Vito was incredibly successful in organized crime, he realized there was even more opportunity in the becoming the pezzonovante - the one holding the strings. In the scene before his death, Vito wistfully tells Michael that he never wanted this life for him, and rather Michael were "Senator Corleone" or "Governor Corleone."
I don't have the novel handy, but at least in the film, Vito held Senators in higher esteem than Congressmen. When delegating the Enzo immigration favor, Vito wanted it to go to a particular Congressman. But it was a Senator that was actually invited to his daughters wedding; Tom mentions the judges too, but nary a Congressman. That's a subtle, but important distinction that I had not considered. You can even hear the respectful tone in Vito's inflection when he said "Senator Corleone." In the novel, Vito disparages judges who "sell themselves out" like the worst whores on the street (or something to that effect). I think this was when he was talking to Bonasera. Later in GFIII, Michael makes quick mention how its always good to have judges friendly to the Corleone's interests.
|
|
|
|