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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: BloodlettersandBadmen]
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12/10/14 03:28 PM
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Two underbosses? How does that work? I think Neil was the underboss and Paul was his main capo, sort of... as well as his brother-in-law (and cousin) which gave him a of unique role... but Neil was always the underboss. Two underbosses theoretically wouldn't really work that well I think especially if they're divided by blue/white collar rackets. There would be rivalry and the white-collar underboss would always bring in more cash. Then when it comes time for a successor there would definitely be war.. and lets be honest, how many bosses have actually named their successors like Carlo did?
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: BloodlettersandBadmen]
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12/10/14 04:25 PM
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SonnyD
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Clearly the Boss always picks his underboss traditionally, but it's always wise to consider the internal politics of a family before doing so.
Castellano would probably have been best advised to pick someone at least acceptable to the blue collar wing to avoid conflict.
In fact that's exactly why Gambino appointed Dellacroce when Biondo was removed.
Last edited by SonnyD; 12/10/14 04:27 PM.
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: Malandrino]
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12/10/14 04:51 PM
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Alfa Romeo
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Two underbosses? How does that work? I think Neil was the underboss and Paul was his main capo, sort of... as well as his brother-in-law (and cousin) which gave him a of unique role... but Neil was always the underboss. Two underbosses theoretically wouldn't really work that well I think especially if they're divided by blue/white collar rackets. There would be rivalry and the white-collar underboss would always bring in more cash. Then when it comes time for a successor there would definitely be war.. and lets be honest, how many bosses have actually named their successors like Carlo did? Greetings Malandrino. From what I always understood, Carlo Gambino had two Underbosses working for him, Neil and Paul. That makes three "street bosses", two of whom who were very closely related by blood. When I say street boss, I mean a hands on boss, not a front boss. The way to appease the blue collar wing would have been to pick the most popular blue collar capo as Underboss. That's what Paul did in having Neil as his underboss. But once Neil was out of the picture, Paul abandoned that formula for what I do not know. Paul could have called Gotti (or Jimmy Brown as PB suggested) aside and made a deal with him to make Gotti Underboss, and then promise Gotti no retaliation if he turned over the tapes. Then Gotti would've run the blue collars and Paul would've whacked Quack Quack.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
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12/10/14 09:12 PM
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In my opinion, the best guy to bridge that gap would have been Jimmy Brown. He was in his sixties at the time, so he was the right age. He had the paper association and the union. He had a brilliant business mind (contrary to popular opinion, there aren't too many dummies running large, successful carting companies). And he could be absolutely lethal when need be. He was the perfect balance between "blue collar" and "white collar." That's why I always believed that had Gigante succeeded in killing Gotti, he would have backed Jimmy for boss. and Daniel Marino as underboss No doubt.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: BloodlettersandBadmen]
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12/10/14 09:35 PM
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Maybe you guys are right. I don't know. Maybe Carlo had only one Underboss and Paul was acting Boss. But having two Underbosses is not unheard of, according to the following conversation... " I believe Dellacroce was the underboss to Gambino and then to Castellano, and Castellano was a skipper who moved up to boss upon Gambino's death. Usually there is only one underboss at a time. In New York that's the case. One exception is during Vito Genovese's incarceration Tommy Eboli was the underboss for New York and Jerry Catena for New Jersey. The New Jersey crime family had a boss for New Jersey and another for Connecticut. New England had two underbosses too, one in Providence and the other in Boston (during the Patriarca period). Rick" From: Two Underbosses in Cosa Nostra
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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12/11/14 01:23 AM
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Paul was going to name Tommy Gambino boss of the family and Tommy Bilotti underboss for the family. Bilotti was not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he was loyal to Castellano and Paul felt that Tommy needed the help from Bilotti who was a street guy growing up, while Gambino was more like Bill Bonanno, minus the arrogance
This is the first I have ever heard of Tommy Gambino being groomed for boss position. He was not made under his father Carlo, but only later by Paul. Could you please elaborate? How could Tommy not be part of the family until relatively late in life, and yet at the same time be groomed to be boss?
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
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12/11/14 05:27 AM
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SonnyD
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The way to appease the blue collar wing would have been to pick the most popular blue collar capo as Underboss. That's what Paul did in having Neil as his underboss. But once Neil was out of the picture, Paul abandoned that formula for what I do not know. Paul could have called Gotti (or Jimmy Brown as PB suggested) aside and made a deal with him to make Gotti Underboss, and then promise Gotti no retaliation if he turned over the tapes. Then Gotti would've run the blue collars and Paul would've whacked Quack Quack. Agreed, if Castellano had a little more political acumen he would have kept Gotti sweet and offered him a top spot, if only until he could have safely taken him out. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Always grudgingly admired the way that Profaci cleverly neutered the Gallo's by winning over their support base, such as the Persico's. Or alternatively Castellano could have appointed James Failla as PB said.
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: bronx]
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12/11/14 06:16 AM
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GOTTI was not going be second to no one... paul knew john was a problem for years , most everyone knew john would be boss or try to be.. the surprise was john killed him knowing paul was going to prison.. deccio, john et. al. could have made a non violent coup after paul was convicted.. went to the commish, presented the captains case to them and paul would have been taken down, paul did not have the support of any of the worker crews in the family..he may have thought he did .paul was neutralized..fialla and marino were doing nothing if it went that way.. and forget this zip loyalty to paul..john gambino was a major drug dealer ,with gotti's crew already up to their necks in the drug biz..john gambino would have a permit.. johns ego needed to slaughter paul and tommy..make a huge historic splash..bigger that A.A. getting killed in a barber chair.. john never followed cosa nostra, he only talked it on tape. frank deccio made it all possible..without frank john can not get away with it without a war..frank knew he would die for it...and he did Do you think that John would not let frank be bos after paul?how come nobody thought of Frank being boss?He had more power than John,no?
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Re: Gambino Underboss - Thomas Bilotti
[Re: bronx]
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12/11/14 06:19 AM
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