So you are comparing Buffalo and Kansas city to Detroit?
If you believe that I have those same items for sale for you, listed on ebay.
Looking at the available evidence, I don't think what's left of the mob in Detroit and Buffalo is much different at this point. The only difference is you still see Detroit listed in
some lists of remaining families and, of course, Scott.
My point is that some guys remaining being involved in bookmaking and loansharking isn't necessarily indicative of a large, viable, hierarchical organization still in tact, which is what those charts suggest.
Also,
Who on the chart that is listed as a soldier isn't made?
The chart was made from Scott's sources and are all legitimate names.
So where is your evidence to dispute these members?
And don't you dare say "well due to the lack of FBI attention on them and lack of indictments" as your evidence.
If by "legitimate names," you mean they all exist I won't disagree. But I have a hard time believing they are all made. And I've explained why more times than I can remember. But people who like what Scott is saying choose to ignore it.
The family was reported to have a max of 30 members back in the big 1996 bust - nearly 20 years ago. The figure was the same when it was cited 5 years later in a 2001 article. Fast-forward 5 years after that and Scott's own book cited 25 members. Furthermore, from 2000 to the present, there have been over 20 members/possible Detroit members who have died. Are we really supposed to believe that, unlike any other remaining family in the country, Detroit has been able to not only keep it's membership level stable but actually
increase in size? Especially with all the members who have died? People can talk about Scott's sources all they want but over the past several years his charts had fluctuated from around 30 members to nearly 60. I think he does his best with the available info but to take his charts as gospel, while ignoring all of the other evidence, is willful blindness on your part.
And, whether you like it or not, the relative lack of indictments in Detroit is part of that contradictory evidence. We have families in New England and Philadelphia that
actually do have 40-50 members and show much more activity but aren't as hierarchical as what the Detroit chart shows. Also Chicago, with 25-30 members, for that matter.
Hey, but don't take my word for it...
Members/Possible Members who have died since 2000:Carlo Bommarito (2007)
Antony "Tony Long" Cimini (2005)
Anthony "Tony the Bull" Corrado (2002)
Vincent "Little Vince" Meli (2006)
Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone (2001)
Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr (2013)
Vito "Billy Jack" Giacolone (2012)
Jack "Jackie G" Gianosa (2003)
Salvatore "Sammy G" Giordano (2002)
Dominic Licavoli (2003)
Salvatore "Soupy" Lentine (2002)
Anthony "Pretty Boy Tony" Munaco (2005)
Leonardo "Leo Monday" Monteleone (2006)
Rafaela "Jimmy Q" Quassarano (2002)
Joseph "Jo Jo" Ruggirello (2013)
James "Jackie Two Guns" Russo (2012)
Anthony "Tony T" Tocco (2012)
Jack "Black Jack" Tocco (2014)
William "Billy Boy" Tocco (2007)
Dominic "Lefty" Tringale (2007)
Frank "Chinky" Versaci (2012)
Dominic Viccari (2001)
1996 article -Until this week's arrests, the Metro Detroit crime family had remained largely intact, with more than 100 associates and 29 "made members," or those who took an oath of allegiance through blood letting.http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm2001 article -Yet the organization "has not gone dormant," says Joseph M. Finnigan, organized crime supervisor for the FBI's Detroit office. Nor will it as long as people still play the numbers, call a bookie, gamble at an after-hours casino or arrange an illegal loan to cover their losses. New members have replaced the old, keeping the local Mafia's size at about 30.http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Wise-guy-blabbermouths-damage-Detroit-Mob-s-image-2924863.php2006 Motor City Mafia -Significantly reduced in numbers - recent FBI accounts place Motor City Mafia membership at roughly 25 made members..."2011 article Even after imprisonment of senior leadership, it survives, and in some places thrives, though most experts agree that its operations are now largely confined to its traditional bases in the Northeast and Chicago.http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704115404576096392318489246
@IvyLeague, the discussion is whether they're dead or not. I dont recall ever seeing many people claim they were this huge operating gambit, but people on this forum have been saying exact claims of Detroit being defunct and inactive. And I think the Kansas City comparison is way off, personally. Like by a lot.
I'm not sure I recall anyone say they are "dead" or "defunct." If, by that, you mean there are no living members left. Or only a few that are inactive.
I think most would agree that there are still LCN members in Detroit that are active - mainly in bookmaking and loansharking, as well as whatever legit businesses they have. But are there 50+ of the them? Or is whatever structure still in tact that hierarchical? Doubtful.
