No doubt the Giants won Super Bowls without elite players at the "skill" positions. They did it with excellent offensive and defensive lines, and that is too often overlooked. This year they have neither. So with mediocre talent and NO elite players.....8-8 would be a good year.

I would like to see them have a receiver the caliber of Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, or a running back like OJ Simpson, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton. They have had some good players; yes-Amani Toomer and Jeremy Shockey or go back to Mark Bavaro and running backs, Joe Morris, Tiki Barber. Its seems their star players are the punters Sean Landeta, Jeff Feagles.