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Re: vito genovese
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alfansosgirl, like you ive read where Genovese was set up by Costello, and lansky, I think its entirely plausible and credible. you have heard of richies farm? ive read where he had
a creamotorium in his barn, no wonder he was widely feared,
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: vito genovese
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Where do you get that Costello and Lansky conspired to send Vito to prison? One of the Bureau of Narcotics agents connected to the case later wrote a book telling what they did to send him to prison. An agent was with a drug dealer and they walked by Vito. The dealer said, "Hi" to him and Vito said, "Hi" back. That was twisted into implicating Vito into a narcotics conspiracy even though they had no evidence of his personal involvement. The agent justified it as the only way they could get him, sort of like how they got Capone on failure to pay income taxes. But the agent is confirming half of the tale told, that it was a frame up. Frank Costello was the "Prime Minister". He was the connection the mafia and syndicate had to the legitimate world of influence, him and Tommy Lucchese. Here is the million dollar question: If Frank Costello was presiding over the same rackets as Vito Genovese, why didn't he get taken down [indicted] when he was Boss the way Vito did?
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Re: vito genovese
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alfa, evidently Costello. and lansky, were bothered a great deal by vitos heroin dealings, and they didn't trust him after
the murder of anastaaia. there may have been more reasons, that we don't know of. but they feared him greatly. he would kill in a heartbeat. if he was allowed to lead his family he
could have been another scarpo, or casso, he was that murderous.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: vito genovese
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Good Evening Binnie,
I think Luciano, Costello, and Lansky were probably more against Vito controlling the Genovese family's heroin/narcotics trade, not against dealing drugs.
The biggest cash crop of the two biggest families (Genovese and Gambino) I believe was narcotics.
When Vito forced his way into becoming Boss, he was taking over the top income sources of the family and diverting the funds towards himself...as Boss.
Galante did that and didn't share the money with other Bosses on the Commission.
What Vito and Carmine Galante had in common was their desire to control drug trafficking that was not seen by others as rightfully theirs.
Vito felt he was the rightful heir to becoming Boss, and Carmine thought the drug pipeline belonged to him...cause he was the one who set it up.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: vito genovese
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faithful1 1 I think you have Genovese mixed up with carmine tramunti. [ mr. gribbs. ] his arrest happened as you described genoveses. Genovese was convicted after the jury heard testimony from nelson cantellops. No, I didn't mix up anything. This is from "Crusade" by Tom Tripodi, a former CIA, FBN and DEA agent: "The continuing conspiracy against Genovese largely rested on the testimony of Nelson Cantellops... Cantellops, 'working off his case ' by going undercover for the FBN, attempted to cut a dope deal with Joseph DiPalermo (aka Joe Beck), a Genovese lieutenant. Beck insisted on checking Cantellop's bona fides, and the two men engaged in a cat-and-mouse game of "whom do you know?" -- all under FBN surveillance. Finally, Beck asked Cantellops if he knew "Don Vitone." Cantellops assented, only to have Beck further insist that the relationship be corroborated by Don Vito Genovese himself." [At a restaurant] as "Genovese was preoccupied with his meal, Beck tapped him on the shoulder and said, 'Do you know this guy?' As much to dismiss the intrusion as anything else, Genovese waved and replied, 'Yeah, he's all right.'" "And with those few words Don Vito Genovese earned his death sentence, for seated at the bar were FBN agents Jim Hunt and Frankie Waters. Both would later testify that they had witnessed and overheard the conversation. By vouching for Cantellops, an admitted dope peddler, Genovese sealed his fate. It made him guilty of a continuing conspiracy." "So thin was the evidence against Genovese that even J. Edgar Hoover" wrote a letter to the head of the Bureau of Narcotics and asserted that it was a frame-up and a travesty of justice.
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Re: vito genovese
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faithful1 1 I think you have Genovese mixed up with carmine tramunti. [ mr. gribbs. ] his arrest happened as you described genoveses. Genovese was convicted after the jury heard testimony from nelson cantellops. No, I didn't mix up anything. This is from "Crusade" by Tom Tripodi, a former CIA, FBN and DEA agent: "The continuing conspiracy against Genovese largely rested on the testimony of Nelson Cantellops... Cantellops, 'working off his case ' by going undercover for the FBN, attempted to cut a dope deal with Joseph DiPalermo (aka Joe Beck), a Genovese lieutenant. Beck insisted on checking Cantellop's bona fides, and the two men engaged in a cat-and-mouse game of "whom do you know?" -- all under FBN surveillance. Finally, Beck asked Cantellops if he knew "Don Vitone." Cantellops assented, only to have Beck further insist that the relationship be corroborated by Don Vito Genovese himself." [At a restaurant] as "Genovese was preoccupied with his meal, Beck tapped him on the shoulder and said, 'Do you know this guy?' As much to dismiss the intrusion as anything else, Genovese waved and replied, 'Yeah, he's all right.'" "And with those few words Don Vito Genovese earned his death sentence, for seated at the bar were FBN agents Jim Hunt and Frankie Waters. Both would later testify that they had witnessed and overheard the conversation. By vouching for Cantellops, an admitted dope peddler, Genovese sealed his fate. It made him guilty of a continuing conspiracy." "So thin was the evidence against Genovese that even J. Edgar Hoover" wrote a letter to the head of the Bureau of Narcotics and asserted that it was a frame-up and a travesty of justice. This author talks like he is sorry for Genovese as if he was an example of an innocent framed for nothing. In my opinion, the scumbag deserved it, he didn't stop killing people even from jail, he was so sadistic he left the witness for the Boccia murder live for decades in fear before killing him. In there ever was a "travesty of justice", it was when Genovese was acquitted the first time for the Boccia murder when another witness was poisoned in custody.
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Re: vito genovese
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10/28/14 09:12 PM
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faithful1 1 I think you have Genovese mixed up with carmine tramunti. [ mr. gribbs. ] his arrest happened as you described genoveses. Genovese was convicted after the jury heard testimony from nelson cantellops. No, I didn't mix up anything. This is from "Crusade" by Tom Tripodi, a former CIA, FBN and DEA agent: "The continuing conspiracy against Genovese largely rested on the testimony of Nelson Cantellops... Cantellops, 'working off his case ' by going undercover for the FBN, attempted to cut a dope deal with Joseph DiPalermo (aka Joe Beck), a Genovese lieutenant. Beck insisted on checking Cantellop's bona fides, and the two men engaged in a cat-and-mouse game of "whom do you know?" -- all under FBN surveillance. Finally, Beck asked Cantellops if he knew "Don Vitone." Cantellops assented, only to have Beck further insist that the relationship be corroborated by Don Vito Genovese himself." [At a restaurant] as "Genovese was preoccupied with his meal, Beck tapped him on the shoulder and said, 'Do you know this guy?' As much to dismiss the intrusion as anything else, Genovese waved and replied, 'Yeah, he's all right.'" "And with those few words Don Vito Genovese earned his death sentence, for seated at the bar were FBN agents Jim Hunt and Frankie Waters. Both would later testify that they had witnessed and overheard the conversation. By vouching for Cantellops, an admitted dope peddler, Genovese sealed his fate. It made him guilty of a continuing conspiracy." "So thin was the evidence against Genovese that even J. Edgar Hoover" wrote a letter to the head of the Bureau of Narcotics and asserted that it was a frame-up and a travesty of justice. This author talks like he is sorry for Genovese as if he was an example of an innocent framed for nothing. In my opinion, the scumbag deserved it, he didn't stop killing people even from jail, he was so sadistic he left the witness for the Boccia murder live for decades in fear before killing him. In there ever was a "travesty of justice", it was when Genovese was acquitted the first time for the Boccia murder when another witness was poisoned in custody. Genovese was a bad guy, but we have to remember that a lot of older writers exaggerated and passed along stories without investigating them. Read Alex Hortis's book on pages 226-27. Peter La Tempa's death was ruled a suicide for a good reason. He previously tried to hang himself and stockpiled his prescription barbituates (which were used as sleeping pills back then) to kill himself.
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Re: vito genovese
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10/30/14 08:49 AM
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Good Evening Binnie,
I think Luciano, Costello, and Lansky were probably more against Vito controlling the Genovese family's heroin/narcotics trade, not against dealing drugs.
The biggest cash crop of the two biggest families (Genovese and Gambino) I believe was narcotics.
When Vito forced his way into becoming Boss, he was taking over the top income sources of the family and diverting the funds towards himself...as Boss.
Galante did that and didn't share the money with other Bosses on the Commission.
What Vito and Carmine Galante had in common was their desire to control drug trafficking that was not seen by others as rightfully theirs.
Vito felt he was the rightful heir to becoming Boss, and Carmine thought the drug pipeline belonged to him...cause he was the one who set it up. yeah it doesn't really make sense for Luciano to be against the drug trade, considering he himself was implicit in the importation and sale of heroin. I also read in A.G.D Maran's book that Luciano was probably a heroin addict himself.
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Re: vito genovese
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10/31/14 01:13 AM
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I have been reviewing a book I read, by Salvadore Vizzini.
The name of it is "Vizzini, The Story of America's No. 1 Undercover Narcotics Agent".
This identical book is published under a different name, "Vizzini: The Secret Lives of America's Most Successful Undercover Agent".
This man got right up on Charley Luciano and befriended him. He got a hold of a couple of the hundred dollar bills Charley carried in his pocket by asking Luciano if he could have larger bills for his small ones. Luciano obliged. Agent Vizzini had the bills traced for their serial numbers and said that the serial numbers matched up with bills used in Heroin deals under the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.
He lists the serial number of one of the bills in his book.
So Charley was in on it, and as the Boss of the Luciano Family, he was probably making more money that Vitone Genovese. Now if Vito forces Costello and Luciano out, he sits on top of the Luciano Family's heroin empire. So that's who set Vito up and why. Qui Bono? Lucky Luciano and Frank Costello. If Lansky was in on it, that's because he and Lucky and Frank went way back together.
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Re: vito genovese
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11/02/14 09:32 AM
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Vito I always heard was street thug gangster bordering on a psychopath, he lacked the panache and sophistication of Frank and Lucky.
In terms of his personal appearance, he certainly looked like a thug and did not have any of the style of Frank or Lucky However, I suspect he was much more sophisticated than you are giving him credit for, especially if you consider his dealings with both the Fascists and the Allied Forces in Italy during WWII. That was ultra-sophisticated double-dealing with high-ranking government officials, a long way from mere street thuggery
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Re: vito genovese
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11/02/14 02:34 PM
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most of what I have read, and joe valachi goes into it, Genovese was instrumental in killing Anastasia, valachi said " vito would never have done it without carlo Gambinos participation.
Genovese took a big chamce, in hitting albert Anastasia, if something would have went wrong, it would have been vito's neck.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: vito genovese
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The Genovese and Luciano fued did not start till Vito returned to the United States, and Luciano was deported. When Vito returned, he no longer had the position of underboss, but was only a powerful capo in the family. The rumor is that when Genovese went to visit Lucky in Cuba, he went to ask Luciano to tell Costello to give him back the underboss position, where Charlie told Vito that Frank was the boss and that was that. Vito did not like that too much and put his hands on Lucky, who in turn slapped Genovese in front of a few witness who were in the family and other families. That was an insult to Vito who waited his time for the moment he would become boss of the family. He is also most likely the one that informed the U.S. about Luciano being in Cuba.
Vito suspected Lucky was the one that set him up and rumor is he sent a couple of people over to Italy to find out, but thought both Costello and Lansky were too weak at the time to arrange such a thing. A rumor is that Genovese wanted to set Luciano up, and reached out to some members of the Lucchese crime family to do this. Tommy Lucchese is in the center of most of these rumors as he had known both Genovese and Luciano way back, not Carlo Gambino as many believe, but Gambino might have been involved as a puppet to these setups. Keep in mind Vito and Lucky were too cautions to be setup like how they both were, and only trusted solid and proven members in their ranks. Side note, both Costello and Lucchese are rumored to have had a capo in each of their families that had FBN agents on their payroll. That too is something to think about.
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