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If Al Capone had paid his taxes.. #808994
10/18/14 12:56 PM
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... Would the Chicago outfit had been as powerful with him still in charge in 30's and 40's as they where with his heirs in charge(Nitti,Curly,Ricca,Accardo etc).. I'm sure he would have been killed eventually as he just attracted violence..


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Remember that Capone's brain was being turned to mush from syphilis. I'd guess he would have been killed by his own men (like a mercy killing).


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In al capone grand daughters book she wrote al capone was in good mind right up until the day he died


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Originally Posted By: SC
Remember that Capone's brain was being turned to mush from syphilis. I'd guess he would have been killed by his own men (like a mercy killing).
yes, he was suffering from the discease and if you recall he was let out of prison early because of it. I cant believe what his daughter says in her book. everything I have ever read states he was losing control of his mind.



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Re: If Al Capone had paid his taxes.. [Re: DE NIRO] #809060
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Al became too much of an obstacle for Chicagos criminal enterprise and again the boys had much respect for him but business is business so i belive that if Al paid his taxes next thing for him was going to be the cement shoes.

But im wondering,if Al's brain was soo much damaged why the boys werent afraid of him spilling mob secrets?Eventualy he was going to say at least something to the other inmates or prison guards...


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Re: If Al Capone had paid his taxes.. [Re: DE NIRO] #809066
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@binnie: his granddaughters story is also collaborated buy one of his nephews that's says he remember al capone being in a meeting with the top guys from chicago, also In his grandmother's book she has pictures of him and he looks rather healthy,the famous quote from jake guzik saying al is nuttier than a fruitcake was taking out of context, he was really making fun of the reporters because that's what they was reporting


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@toodoped: mobsters have reported ricca didnt have a big voice in capone day, capone kept guys in line, nobody would have the balls to try and kill capone and capone always kept bodyguards with him so it would have been hard


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
@toodoped: mobsters have reported ricca didnt have a big voice in capone day, capone kept guys in line, nobody would have the balls to try and kill capone and capone always kept bodyguards with him so it would have been hard

Not if the bodyguards felt the same way.Frank Rio was in charge for Capones safety and later after Al's conviction he was very close to Nitri,Campagna and Ricca.

There are many examples in mobs history where the bosses are being killed by their own bodyguards


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You have to fall in line with the new power, the boss is the boss...but the outfit always kept a steady flow of cash going into alcatraz, people that was did time with capone in alcatraz said he hid money every where.and when capone was released from prison paul ricca bought a house in Miami for a year so he could be close to capone


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Up until capone was released from alcatraz he was in sound mind,his syphilis was in check, he was taking his medication and he also was working out a few times a week, but when they released him from alcatraz and sent him to terminal island for a questionable experimental treatment for his syphilis, that's why he started to loose it, they pumped him full of mercury and that's what did the damage to his brain


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They sent him to John Hopkins hospital baltimore to drain the poison from his body and he started to regain his memory, the doctor that treated him in Baltimore wife was also a doctor and she verified that


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Interesting infos


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Re: If Al Capone had paid his taxes.. [Re: thebigfella] #809091
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Up until capone was released from alcatraz he was in sound mind,his syphilis was in check, he was taking his medication and he also was working out a few times a week, but when they released him from alcatraz and sent him to terminal island for a questionable experimental treatment for his syphilis, that's why he started to loose it, they pumped him full of mercury and that's what did the damage to his brain


Not entirely true. Capone's medical records show he was close to being certified as insane during his last years at Alcatraz. His mental state did not improve after that.


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theres been some new biographys out recently on al capone. and they all say his syphilis was truly progressing. im with s.c. on this one.



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That had to have been before he started taking his meds, in his granddaughters book she published personal hand written letters in his last year's of alcatraz and the letters was coherent


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
That had to have been before he started taking his meds, in his granddaughters book she published personal hand written letters in his last year's of alcatraz and the letters was coherent


Don't put all your eggs in one basket made from a relative's viewpoint. There are MANY medical reports (certified) by doctors who treated Capone and they show that Big Al was clearly touched as early as the middle of his confinement at Alcatraz.


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Yes, that part I agree


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