I already posted that on the first page dixie . It clearly says on the tombstone Tomasso Gagliano died Feb 16th 1951. What is it your trying to say Alfa that this is a completely different guy or what? I'm confused . Anyway i think Hairy has cleared this up with his above post.

alfa, I concur with you completely, and what difference would it make if the corrupt cops were named now, in some cases almost 90 years later. maybe im wrong but, there has got to be a reason for the missing pages. and I certainly don't think there missing because of editing concerns. because attorney general katenzbach went to Johnson and was told to hold back 1000 pages. now that wasn't for the sake of editing.

My bad, I haven't read this whole thread and I use findagrave a lot so I looked it up. Guess I need to start reading every page

Yes, Peter Maas had problems with the government allowing him full access in the 1960s, but that was before the Freedom of Information Act. Now you're free to go to the National Archives, spend your money to make copies, scan the 1000+ pages and post them online. When are you going to do that, Alfa?

now, faithful, you know full well, everybody cant go to the national archives, that's why we depend on researchers, and authors like yourself, to give us the story. now, when you publish your book I will buy a copy. please don't leave any pages of the valachi story out.

I don't know for sure who is right, these guys here who leave out pages of a public expose and introduce contradictory photos of Gagliano and Maranzano, or Bonanno. How many immigrants at that time were named Gagliano?

Maybe the original Gagliano boss was Tommasso, not Gaetano. Maybe the photo of Tommasso is the right guy and he died in 51. Maybe the original photo of Gagliano with the tough guy round face is a false photo like that of Salvatore Messina circulated as Maranzano. But how can we really be totally sure?

What is the proof that Tommasso Gagliano is the right immigrant? A newspaper clipping of his passing? That's not 100% sure.

Here it is...

Tommasso Gagliano Newspaper Clipping

That's it. That's our proof that this Tommasso Gagliano was the boss of the old Gagliano family.

It seems like Tommy Lucchese was Gagliano's representative to high level meetings....for decades. Gagliano appeared in 1931 and then didn't reappear in public for another 20 years. Freaky. Then finally someone circulates the rumor that Gagliano stepped down in 53 to make Three Fingers boss. I'm sorry but that is creepy. It wouldn't surprise me if Gagliano was a sick man for a long time and needed Tommy to rep him in public, nor would it surprise me to learn that Tommy disappeared him (like Albert did Mangano) and then just quietly took over. It's weird that Bill Bonanno would record a specific commission meeting, called by Gagliano himself, for the express purpose of naming Lucchese as boss. Either Bill was there and it happened, or he wasn't and someone lied to him, and that lie had to originate with Tommy Lucchese himself.



That what makes the omissions so egregious. We already had a cover up happen decades back. I read the excerpts on Onewal from top to bottom. Whatever was deemed sensitive by President Johnson is not on there.

Yes, Tommy Brown stood in for Gagliano for many years as a loyal underboss, Gagliano seemed to be a very private man, but it's untrue to say that Tomasso Gagliano didn't appear in public for 20 years or anything like it. He just didn't attract the attention of the law. Plus, from what I understand, he was very much a white collar mobster. Unions and business infiltration was his speciality.

If Lucchese was going to disappear Gagliano he took a very long time doing it. People tend to forget that Gagliano was older than the earlier boss Reina and when Gagliano passed away he was in his late sixties



Not sure if you're seriously suggesting there that Faithful is an agent of Governmental disinformation?

I'm not going to respond to all that Alfa, but the fact is Faithful1 has been to the National Archives and read the 1000+ pages of this. As you said Onewal hosts excerpts not the full contents, until you have been to the National Archives yourself and read through it all you can't exactly claim "coverup".

Better yet take Faithfuls suggestion - Now you're free to go to the National Archives, spend your money to make copies, scan the 1000+ pages and post them online. When are you going to do that, Alfa?

That is a sound suggestion, Caramel.

Better get yourself a big red pen to delete all the crap that Valachi wrote. It might save you a few bucks when copying!

The other poster was complaining about the cost.

If it's 15 cents a page and 1810 pages, that's only $271.50.

Let me just stop right there. I don't have much more to say on the topic.

Not bad for a 5th grade education and having a bullet lodged near his brain stem compliments of NYPD.

It's 25 cents for paper copies. If copying from microfilm it's 50 cents.

sonnyd, nobody is accusing faithful of being an agent, hes a researcher and albeit a good one. but I keep asking myself, what was so sensitive that Lyndon Johnson woulnt allow peter maas to publish all the pages he wanted to. there has to be a reason. and im continually speculating on what it could be.

dixiemafia. gagliano? gagliano? oh, now I get it. didn't he play offensive tackle for the bear? [ he, he, he, he ]

If I were to simply reproduce the Valachi manuscript it would be the most boring thing out there. Researchers aren't in the business of just copying and selling copies. What they do is take the most important, useful and relevant information to make it into a story or an educational work with a good narrative. I also use FBI reports, Secret Service reports, etc., but if I just photocopied them it wouldn't be taking the nuggets to find out what happened. You gather the necessary facts from the many different sources to figure out what happened. In Valachi's case we can use info from his manuscript, then we also want to verify and cross-reference so we can learn about his associates, bosses, etc for a bigger story. The manuscript is a source, but it does not make enjoyable reading.

Don't forget flight costs if you live far away, hotel costs, travel costs, and you gotta eat. When I was there I had to pay for all that, plus I wasn't out to copy just one thing, but a whole lot of things. You know those FBI docs uploaded to Mary Ferrell? I spent hundreds copying them years before that Mary Ferrell site was up. That was at College Park, Maryland. Then add doing that at archives in New York, Chicago and San Francisco.

Another thing about the federal archives: you can't just go looking around and grabbing what you want when you want. You have to fill out forms to have what you want pulled and delivered to you. Then you pick what you want copied and you show it to another guy who's job it is to make sure you don't have classified material that mistakenly went into a file or that you don't steal the documents (like Bill Clinton's ex Secretary of State Warren Burger, who stuffed documents down his pants to steal them). Then you make copies one page at a time, which is time consuming. Plus you have to return some of the stuff you have out so you can request more stuff.

Or you could pay them to copy the documents for you at around 50 cents a page.

Binnie, that was back in the 1960s before the Freedom of Info Act and when J. Edgar Hoover was still around. They were very protective of their territory back then and it was a fight to get anything. It's not like that anymore.

And..... you've yet to produce a single page of it, where is your 15 Cents paid for a page? You like to criticize people that go out of their way to find this info simply because it costs you a few Dollars to read their findings. Frankly he deserves to make a profit, even though it will more than likely slightly exceed the money he spent if even that.

faithful, I understand. thank you.

I totally agree with that. Well put!



We know that Tommaso Gagliano was born in 1884. Now, check out the pictures Camarel posted earlier. How old was he when he died? In addition, take a look at the name Pomilla. The Pomillas were related to Gaglianos. Nunzio Pomilla was a member of the Lucchese crime Family and Gagliano´s brother in law.

Now, take a look at the obituary. It says he lived in Yonkers. I can guarantee Gagliano, the Mafia boss, lived in Yonkers. This was mentioned by an Lucchese informant when he gave up info on Gagliano. I have that in one of my FBI files. We also know his wife´s name (Giuseppina). The marriage is mentioned in Dave Critchley´s book. Giuseppina is mentioened in the obituary.

Now, stop trolling!

Talkin about agents of governmental disinformation...shit like this happens around the world...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/12/diary-of-an-israeli-shill/

Very good. That is probably him. Personally that makes me think the first photo of the round faced man that circulated as Gagliano is about as real as Salvatore Messina's. I cannot see that photo and the photo of Tommasso Gagliano as being similar. Valachi said Gagliano was a tall man. The narrow faced Tommasso Gagliano photo could credibly be construed as a tall person.

Very funny. Did it ever occur to you that it was my objective all along to get someone like Hairy to explain to me exactly who was Tommasso Gagliano?

I stumbled across this blog -- written by Bill Feather -- which is extremely relevant to this thread =

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Hi dominic_calabrese, you asked about how men like Gaetano Lucchese and Francesco Castiglia (Frank Costello) were able to cross over into borgatas different from where their families originated in Italy.

I think in Tommy Lucchese's case, it had to do with him being a young member of the 107ht street mob as a youngster, and then graduating into the Reina mafia family as an adult. Tommy basically built his street cred being a young hoodlum in a gang that carried on in Corleonesi territory of Manhattan. The 107th street mob was likely a junior mafia that the Morellos and/or Reinas recuited from.

Salvatore Maranzano (July 31, 1886 – September 10, 1931) was an organized crime figure from the town of Castellammare del Golfo, Sicily. He is accused of instigating the Castellammarese War to seize control of the American Mafia operations, and briefly became the Mafia's "Boss of Bosses". He was assassinated by a younger faction led by Charles "Lucky" Luciano, who established a power-sharing arrangement rather than a "boss of bosses" in the hopes of preventing future wars.

http://youtu.be/WACvACqlGtk?list=PLQhDH_WZbs1N0jqZ9y9naMtgUfZ3VoVbo