These bikers are crazy. I guess new chapters are supposed to get permission to start up in NY. So there was a group starting up in poughkeepsie, NY recently. I don't know why this happened, but one day a bunch of hells angels came to town, walked right into a bar where 4 of those other guys were drinking, and beat them to bloody piles of shit with bats and clubs then rode off like nothing happened. I hear those guys didn't get permission.