How it plays out is this: Nicodemo flips and joey, uncle Joe, poor ol Downy George, are all fucked.

And people start making bets on deCav vs Bruno family extinction...

Lol, good one thebigfella. The Feds have something, don't know what it is, but the feds have something. I say just wait for the weekend to be over, then we might get a better view of what is happening.

This is a different situation from gotti, it was a consistent pattern of gotti having the same meetings in the same place, with merlino, it was clearly a circumstantial one time freak of nature that this happened, joey said he retired they can't prove he didnt, and he's made an legitimate effort to turn his life around, and he have tons of clean cut guys that can vouch for that. Are you kidding? The new joey wouldn't be caught dead with these guys. THERE LOSERS!

It doesn't matter. Do you know many guys have been violated for "consorting with known felons" just for having a cup of coffee in the wrong place? Everyone from Sonny Franzese to Carmine Tramunti.

So again, let's just see how things play out before making any brash predictions. Time alone will tell.

@sonny: even if the 3 guys you've mentioned philly is still in good shape, with the guys on the streets and the guys that's coming out, they might even be ahead of the game because they will have a chance to make a ton of guys that's not on the radar

If the 3 guys you mentioned gets life

You guys are to quick to call a family dead, ice that trigger finger down

All due respect bigfella. But Philly are fucked.

Scraping bottom of the barrel and another big clean out if management IMO will finish them off. Philly's always been too many chiefs and not enough Indians. God knows their management over the past 10yrs constitutes almost a third of their members. Philly's top heavy, and Anthony flips? Philly's bang in trouble as a viable family.

And the proof is in the pudding BF.

Saying there's a ton of guys to be made under the radar is on par with Detroit fantasists thinking there's a huge undiscovered family there.

Just sayin.

I understand what your saying pb, but I since the tide is turning, the public is getting tired of the feds hauling in mob guys for a quick headline when you have terrorists running around, more so now then in the past for the feds to get a conviction they really have to bring the fire power, or the mob guy have to do something incredibly stupid

I am not saying Philly is dead, but I am saying they are hurting and feeling it. Jeoy was on parole and got caught meeting with other convicted felons, things like that happens all the time. PB gave a couple of good examples above.

Detroit have guys that goes to college and they do have a traditional family structure, who knows what those guys are doing, the best criminals are legitimate business people

Well if they're legitimate business people, they're not criminals are they?

Kinda defeats the purpose of being Cosa Nostra no?
I mean they're not many 3rd/4th generation Italian docs and lawyers who join a family just for the fuck of it, if you catch my drift.

And Detroit is over. Organised crime is non existent. And a card table at the soccer club every Saturday a OC family does not constitute.

I know what i do want to take a bet on, that this will be a 7 page thread...Any takers?

There's a new wave of crime that's taking place right under your nose..If your a captain of a family and run a profitable legal business, who cares if you take a little from here and a little from there, huh? You guys think if the bodies don't drop it don't exist, that's the old way of thinking...thier not even wracking guys no more they put them on the shelf and go back to making thier money

I'll buy this thread and hedge with the Merlino's restaurant thread all day long

And this is what YOURE missing.

If you're running a successful business, who gives a shit about the mob in the first place?

See 3rd/4th gen Italian Americans don't NEED the mob to get ahead. So, when you're ahead, do you need the mob? No.

The concept of a college led submersible Detroit OC flourishing family is a joke.
Ya gotta go with with the evidence here.

And it's kinda pointing one way.

Isn't frank cali a successful business man? Is he still in the mob? How many people in the mob is just like him?

Jesus Christ, just let it fucking go. You're never going to convince the guys who root for these assholes that the mob is a shadow of its former self. Get it back on track now before SC locks this thread.

Back on track: If there's a rat, Merlino is doomed. If Nicodemo's a rat, the entire Philly hierarchy is doomed. But then again, this might blow over. So let's just wait and see and at least keep it civil here.

I don't root for the mob I just call it like I see it, it bennifits some guys to say the mafia do sent exist, I'm just saying

Ok, let's get back on track...If merlino goes back to jail for 2 years, so what, and if nicodemo turn rat I don't believe he have concrete first Hand knowledge to get a merlino conviction

But you don't know any of this. Neither do I, for that matter. But the Feds have a 94 percent conviction rate for a reason. And please don't trot out that people are tired of rats and all that crap.

It's true that people are tired of rats, but the Feds stack the deck in their favor. Go ask guys like Tommy Gioeli and Little Dino, who are both going to die in jail, AFTER BEING ACQUITTED, if the Feds are pursuing Merlino just to give him two years.

And they'll always bat 90 percent. They've been doing so for two hundred years. Verdicts are cyclical. The wiseguys have had some success lately. But at the end of the day, the Feds will still beat these guys nine out of ten times. That's why the smarter guys have made an art of the plea bargain.

I understand where your coming from pb

Ditto. Like I said, only time will tell .

As Tony Soprano said.

Guys like me, we either end up one of two ways. Dead or in Jail.

And the mob doesnt wack bosses no more.


If you see my point.

Actually Im pretty sure I dont have a point.

But it was a good quote.

And most importantly, the Jays win at Fenway.

Keep in mind that people have been declaring the Philadelphia family as finished for years now. While the decline is certainly evident, the proclamations about it being finished have obviously been premature, though understandable considering the last 35 years of internal warfare, prosecutions, and defections. But when all is said and done, family still maintains some semblance of a hierarchy and has shown continued activity in ongoing cases in recent years.

^This.