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A good example of, once again, a conservative trying to take a shot at Moore where he wasn't mentioned once in the whole thread. Which books of his have you read? Which movies of his have you seen? Oh, wait, you haven't seen any.
I shouldn't bring this old comment up again, but Patrick continues to defend Moore-- thread subject aside-- and will not say why, how, what parts of his movies are real, or anything. Don't even respond to a Moore-bash if you can't even give reason for defending him.

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This is my complaint with that. You say we shouldn't help the world. Correct? Yet, we're helping the Iraqis and complaining because the rest of the world won't help us. Did Saddam keep his citizens fed well? Hell no. Hey now, though, I know how much you hate Castro. According to you, all Cubans hate him and they're very impoverished. Why didn't we go and get rid of Fidel too?
Because 1) he's not as bad as Saddam was, 2) he was known not tohave WMD's, 3) he's not connected to terrorists in such resounding ways like Saddam, and 4) he's not in the Middle East where terrorists have a haven.

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What about North Korea and Iran? Both have WMDS. Why was Iraq looked at first? Just because Saddam was the leader? What makes him more dangerous then Kim Jong or the leader of Iran? About genocide, it's happening in Sudan.
1) Saddam's used them before. 2) he had major terrorist ties that overshadowed the possibilites of the other two. 3) he's in the thick of the Middle East which is why he's more convenient to terrorists than NK, and Iran just didn't seem more of a threat terror wise than Saddam.

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They DO need extra help. There are many Blacks and Hispanics who can't grasp things as easy as Whites, even if they try hard. It's a huge problem.
So, regaurdless of monetary condition, black people and Hispanics are just plain dumber than white people? Well, Hitler would agree with you, but I don't know if those are facts.

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If we take an isolationist route now, it's going to be like spitting on our allies in this war when they ask for our help and we don't give it.
Give me a break. The world has been spitting on us for a long time, even though the world owes it's freedom to the US (WWII).

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Sudan.
Yeah i'ts really helping, too. France in particular is a corrupt government, and Chirac is low-life scum.

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Put them in rehab and then help give them a special education.
Nope. Put them in a containment camp (a jail that isn't expensive for the tax payer).

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Because sending troops into a country to kill people (i.e. Iraq) doesn't solve anything. The country needs money so its' army can fight off the rebels and stop the starvation.
So... we should have sent money to the Jews to fight off the Nazis?

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And I'll ask you again. If we're complaining about having to be the 'first ones to help,' then why were we the ones who insisted on going into Iraq? North Korea and Iran are more of a threat. Hell, I don't even think the 'Iraq threat' can be compared to their's
And you're uninformed on the regime of Saddam Hussein.

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Bush was given information about "Bin Laden hijacking planes," but either failed to understand them or to take it serious. So, in all seriousness, 9/11 could've been prevented.
He did recieve intelligence, less specific than that though. But Clinton was recieving it for 8 years as opposed to Bush's 8 months, so if anyone failed to prevent 9/11, it was Clinton.

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And what about all of the proof that Iran and North Korea have WMDS? We KNOW that they have them, especially North Korea. We were uncertain about Iraq. Why enter Iraq (which was questionable about WMD) when we have 2 other countries that we KNOW have WMDS?
Because we were sure that Iraw had WMD's. Not to mention reasons above.

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You mean, for HIS advantage. It was HIS intelligence. I'm sure Bush knew that some intelligence was accurate and some wasn't. If Bush wouldn't have rushed into Iraq, then I don't think a lot of people would dislike the Iraq war, but he DID rush into the war, which is why more and more men keep dying each day.
No, Bush gets intelligence and by the time it gets to the President of the United States it is all supposed to be totally accurate. George Tenet told him there was a "slam-dunk" on WMD's.

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I'm not saying we should go to North Korea right NOW. I'm saying that they were/are more of a threat then Saddam and Iraq.
Saddam had immediate terrorist ties that could have compounded threats were they to get their hands on anything.

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We gave Saddam billions and billions. Saddam used the money we gave him to buy all of his palaces etc. It's a totally different situation. I have the impression that there's something the US government is trying to cover up.
No we didn't. The UN gave him money. France gave him money.

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Why were you ok with America sending troops to Iraq first? You obviously believe that Saddam had WMDS. If he had them, then why was he only a threat to the US? Why didn't the UK go in first if he was such a threat to the world?
Because the US is much more capable of fighting a war like the Iraq War than the UK. It's no sweat for us to fight a war half-way across the world with huge numbers.

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Ok. Then why do over half of the high school drop outs happen to be minorities? What's the problem? You tell me.
Because of culture. Blacks and Hispanics are much much much more englufed in that punk thug crap that you advocate, and as a result they lose morals, intelligence, sense, whatever.

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The only people who I believe should be in jail for life with no parole are people who commit murder. Everyone else can be re-educated, rehabilitated, and brought back into society
No. Not true. People who commit crimes like child rap and stuff are twisted scum, and shouldn't be brought back into society to do it again.

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I don't feel anyone with mental problems should be held accountable unless they know what they're doing and the court can prove without a reasonable doubt that they knew it. This is why people that are retarded and have the IQ of a child shouldn't be put on death row or sentenced to life in prison.
The guy who shot Reagan, Hinckley Jr, should have been met by a firing squad. I don't give a damn if he is retarded, he shot someone (The President of the US by the way), he committed a crime and hurt others, he pays the price.

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Because the US gave us 2 reasons to enter Iraq:
1.) Get rid of Saddam because he commits genocide.
2.) Get WMDS

Since there are no WMDS, we are in there right now strictly to get in a new President who 'won't commit genocide,' yet we don't want to help the Sudanese where there is genocide now.
There were more reasons. I've stated them.

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Ok, for example: Say someone wanted to vote for Bush because "he is cool!" (which a lot of kids at my school say) We should ask these people where they stand on abortion, the Iraq war, stem cell research, etc. If they're pro-choice, anti-war, and support stem cell research, then there's a problem.
Considering the mass majority of these people support Democrats, I agree with you.

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Billions was given to him by the Reagan administration.
Back then, Saddam was just a guy running a country, as he had yet to show any genocide or terrorist aspects.

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So you'd rather have these unemployed people just get out of the way and die?
Everyone should work and get their own taxes benefitted to them.

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So you think that the US should be credited with winning WW II?!!? If it wasn't for Russia joining the Allies, then "we'd be speaking German now," not because of the US!
Great, my expertise! The US DID win WWII! I'll start a whole new thread for this if you want, but I'm a major WWII historian, I've read over 100 books on the war, I know my WWII history. The US+Britain= defeat of Axis Powers. The USSR+Britain= no defeat of Axis Powers.

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