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Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/05/14 02:53 PM
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Just watching again after many yrs, and just had a thought and wanted to see what u fellas think
Ok, Sollozzo let's them know where the meet will take place so Michaels family feel at ease
Which is how they smuggled in the weapon for Michael in advance
But why then, did Lou the driver suddenly make the u-turn ( ok I know it was to lose Michael's guards) but then they end up going to the prearranged restaurant anyway
Doesn't quite make sense, I mean all michael's driver had to do was head to the restaurant which is exactly what he did.
The whole point of losing the tail was to take Michael away from any backup, therefore would have made sense Sollozzo picking a new restaurant and disrupting any plans for a set up
If he was content with sticking with the original choice then the sudden u -turn was pointless.
Not to mention, by suddenly taking off with Michael, the Corleone family would assume mike was in danger. And dispatched men to see if he was ok at the restaurant. Which is the complete opposite of what Sollozzo would have wanted
Therefore again, doesn't make sense for Sollozzo to still head to prearranged restaurant.
The scene was a terrific scene by the way, was just as good the first time I watched it. So I understand why the director did what he did with the " gun in toilet "
Could have been more believeable had Sollozzo picked a random Restaurant after losing their tail, and Michael realises he hasn't got the weapon
Picks up a kitchen knife and slaughters them both (we know Vito) was good with a knife
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/05/14 03:26 PM
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I agree with Beanshooter. The U-turn wasn't to lose anyone, it was to see if anyone was tailing them in the first place. In fact, Sollozzo probably relaxed a little bit when he saw that nobody was tailing them, because remember at that point nobody expected Michael to pull off a double murder (let alone of a police captain).
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/06/14 05:42 AM
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I have a question. What happened to Lou? He just disappears, did he just drop them off? Did somebody shoot or stab him outside? Was he somewhere getting something to eat? Was he just a driver and didn't want to get shot himself? He just vanishes.
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/06/14 05:48 AM
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I have a question. What happened to Lou? He just disappears, did he just drop them off? Did somebody shoot or stab him outside? Was he somewhere getting something to eat? Was he just a driver and didn't want to get shot himself? He just vanishes. He probably went off to whatever hangout the rest of Sollozzo's henchmen were at. He couldn't have gone in as it would have violated the conditions (the novel mentions that technically by him even being there as the driver it broke the terms of the meeting). So yeah, he dropped them off and went off to wherever, and as he was just some mook we don't know if he was killed in the war or whatnot.
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/06/14 07:17 AM
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Ok, Sollozzo let's them know where the meet will take place so Michaels family feel at ease
Sollozzo didn't let the Corleones know where the meeting would be. That's why they had to figure it out by finding out where McCluskey would be at the time of the meeting.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/06/14 08:44 AM
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Sonny found out where the meeting would be by calling his contact at McCluskey's precinct.
The novel provides further detail:
Sonny's contact at McCluskey's precinct was Detective Phillips, who tried to protect Michael outside the hospital. He's the guy Sonny contacted in the movie. A police captain had to leave word where he'd be at all times, which was how Phillips knew where he'd be.
In the novel, Sollozzo had a man in the restaurant at another table, to whom he looked when Michael asked to go to the john. The man nodded as if he'd checked the bathroom. But, after Michael whacked Sol and Mac, he pointed the gun at the man at the table, who looked away and showed his empty hands. Novel also says the police questioned Sol's driver, who claimed he didn't know anything.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/06/14 10:45 AM
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Because he's paranoid. The fact that he frisks Michael himself when he stands up, even though he was already frisked before his eyes shows his paranoia. This is the man whose father he tried to kill. As far as Sollozzo knew, Michael could have come back with a kitchen knife. He's not gonna take any chances.
Clemenza actually predicts that Sollozzo would try to frisk him after he comes back with the gun, and that's why he tells Michael not to sit down again but to immediately blast them and leave.
However, Michael does sit down and it's Sollozzo's carelessness that gets him killed. But the problem is, Sollozzo would never display such carelessness.
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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09/06/14 12:13 PM
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Watching the film, I do not think Sol liked the idea of Michael going to the bathroom in the first place. It is McCluskey who says "you gotta go, you gotta go," and then Sol reluctantly allws Michael to go. But he is still unsure, and he looks in vain to his "bodyguard," who by now is more interested in his veal, and who says, "I frisked a thousand young punks."
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
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"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Sollozzo whacking scene in restaurant?
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12/02/20 05:57 PM
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Thanks for clearing up my question guys
Also, I'll have to agree with don somewhat. I agree that Sol was very paranoid and suspicious. Someone with that mind frame would most certainly frisk again. And ok I agree Sol's men searched the toilets/ lost the tail/ did two frisks prior
But who's to say michael didn't remove a big pipe in the bathroom and was about to splatter their brains over dinner. Not that it would have made much difference
As to what happened to Lou, unless the book stated otherwise, perhaps a mistake was made?
Doubt Lou would have went on a walk whilst a big meet was going on
Maybe Lou went to pee somewhere outside, as Lou coming into the restaurant would cause alarm. As for Sollozzo expecting the possibility of Michael coming back with a pipe or a knife from the kitchen... What would have prevented Michael from stabbing Sollozzo in the eye (GF III) with a knife or fork from the table they were at??
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