Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
But don't the feds make them admit that they are members of the Mob when they plaed guilty? I know in todays Rat filled world that doesn't matter but it used to be a big thing in the old days!

It hasn't been like that for years. And the Westside was the first family to see it. They were way ahead of the curve there. As usual. Everyone from Patsy to Little Joe Dente to Chin to Barney have had to admit to being part of a larger criminal organization in order to secure plea deals.

As far as Pagano pleading not guilty, it's the standard plea at an arraignment. He can always change it later. And I'm sure he will.


Yeah the Genovese saw the writing on the wall long before anyone. Pleading out for shorter sentences was much smarter than taking it to trial every time, especially when it was clear you would lose, unless you knew you could buy a jury.

Gotti really fucked over his brother, Frankie Loc and several others who would have been out of jail years ago if it was not for Gotti's bravado bullshit.

One thing you gotta give the guy is that he went down swinging himself as well. Abided by his own rules he set in place.