I think the colombos were still trying to kill those 2 in the late 70tys so that why I kinda think they weren't made then. The gallo gang killed a lot of guys so it must have been touchy even decades later. I read that chin got them in line or told them they wold.be killed fuck sonny franses had no goods words about them in 2006 talking to one of he wired up kids. The guy punchy got shot in 76iI think