Wikipedia and other sites that shows me facts, I feel I can trust more than people on a forum - no offense, I want peoples opinions otherwise I wouldn't have started this thread. But how do you know and how do people suddenly know everything about the Outfit without information to back it up?

I'm not in this. I never post about Chicago. But Wikipedia is a terrible place for this type of subject matter. Anyone can change those entries to suit their agenda. Quick case in point: They gave Patsy Parrello two sons that he never had on Wikipedia, which was especially hurtful because Patsy Junior was murdered. These entries are made by cocksuckers with no fucking lives. They should seriously suffer for making a family relive that kind of pain .

And not every little thing can be backed up with links. I don't know where you're from, how old you are, any of that. But when you actually grow up among these guys, not everything can be backed up with a link. That's all I'm saying.

Hi guys, been reading your forum for a couple of weeks and just recently it hit me to actually make an account.

What about Henry's account?

What about Henry's account?

You always seem to have that sixth sense pizza.

I think he's talking about Henry Hauglad?

*DING DING DING* We have a winner. Give that man a ceegar.

Can we assume that they're BOTH gone now?

Is someone getting clipped SC ??

Hi guys, been reading your forum for a couple of weeks and just recently it hit me to actually make an account. Haven't read up too much about the Chicago Outfit, Tought I'd start my first post by telling you what I know, and some facts -- and let you guys tell me what I don't know.

Chicago Outfit isn't just 'one organization', It's aprox four(?) different families who run their men their own way. Although all of them answere to John DiFronzo /whom some say has retired and been replaced by Joe Andriacchi. DiFronzo/Andriacchi holds a sort of 'Capo Di Tutti Capi''-position and runs every family -- has every family to pay tributes and follow orders. If there is a beef between two (I call them families, actually they are just crews lead by an Lieutenant who has Street bosses etc, made members.) The Boss/DiFronzo can settle the dispute, and also decides who gets made. Chicago doesn't have capos or whatever, they just have like a different set of bosses who roules that area. Same as a capo I guess..

I think recently they have shrunk to hold a low profile, The current hierarchy of the Outfit today I believe is like this:

Melrose Park (fmr. Cicero, Lake County crews) Lieutenant/boss - John 'Pudgy' Matassa. I think he took over for Michael Sarno, peronally I think Matassa looks like a fa***t -no offense.
Melrose park is the 2nd most powerful though the most Notorious crew, handles mostly blue collar crimes. And has about 15 made members?

Elmwood Park (North Side/Rush street crews) The most powerful crew, most of the bosses roots from this crew. Deals mostly white collar, former lead by John DiFronzo and is now lead by his brother Greedy Pete. The crew has about 20 made members by my count.

South Side (26th street crew, Chinatown, Chicago Heights crew) boss - Frank Caruso ''Tootsie'' - don't know much about these guys. They have about 11 made members, 3 of whom are Incarcarated.

West Side (Grand Avenue Crew, Centrachio Crew) Boss - Joseph Cullotta ''Joe Kong'' - Weakest, with about 5 made members.

Keep in mind that they have alot of associates. You don't need to be italian nor made to reach hights in the Chicago Mob. Associates (trusted) are given tasks of killing and other things that only inducted guys gets to do in most of the other families.

I count they have less than 50 inducted members. Chicago is also the LCN(if we can call it that?) who has the least amount of rats.

They have been known for killing their own members, if they make too much publicity - DeStefano and Giancana. They have calmed down since the indictments of Family Secrets AND earlier they lost Pasquale Marchone (a.k.a Pat Marcy) whom controlled the first ward. They owned Chicago's judges, lawyers and crooked cops in mass numbers.

Do you guys think Chicago still has someone in different Parties in Chicago, and that they still have such a massive number of Lawyers, judges and crooked cops? I'd like to read everyone's opinion! sorry for bad grammar or spelling mistakes.

Much of this, like many things about the Outfit, have been debated a lot on these forums.

In my opinion, there is no significant difference between the way the Outfit is structured today and the structure of other LCN families. I really don't know where people get this "every crew is it's own family" idea. If one wants to go that route, you could say that about any crew in any family, which is simply a sub-group within the larger organization. The crew bosses (or captains - same thing) in Chicago are answerable to an administration just as they are in New York or elsewhere. At best, it's a matter of semantics, not significant, practical differences.

I also don't buy into this picture some paint of this multi-layered, overly hierarchical Outfit with top bosses, area bosses, crew bosses, street bosses, and so on. The Outfit streamlined it's organization in the 1990's and has only continued to shrink in size and scope since then. Not only is there no need for all these ranks, the most recent articles on the Outfit going back nearly a decade don't bear any of that out; some charts floating around the forums not withstanding.

And, as I've said more times than I can remember, the max made membership figure put forth by the FBI in recent years is 30. During the "Family Secrets" case, 28 was the number cited with a little over 100 associates. That would make the Outfit comparable in overall size to families in New England or Philadelphia, just with member-to-associate ratio being a little different.

While there is still Outfit-connected corruption in Chicago, the days of them having scores of judges and cops on the payroll are long gone. As are the days of non-Italians reaching high levels in the Outfit hierarchy. You may have some non-Italian associates in key money-making positions but there are no more Jake Guziks, Murray Humphreys, or Guz Alexs to speak of.

Thanks, Dix. But we all know I ain't that smart .

In his second post he stated that he "can't wait to argue with Pizzaboy and Ivy league," or something like that. Dead fucking giveaway that he'd been here before. But what's WRONG with people that they feel the need to create different identities?

This Internet has given birth to a totally new kind of crazy .

Now I understood you were talking about me... I have been reading as a guest for only a week or so before I made the account.

Whatever.

Take it up with the mods. They're convinced you're Henry Hauglad because of your ip address or whatever you call it. You probably have ten whole minutes before both accounts are blocked.

And this is what I mean .

Haha, guess I should take it up with them, because I'm not Henry Hauglad

Dude you should just give it up now. You want to know what the chances are that my IP would match pizza's or even say La Lou's? Zero chance. You know why? Because we don't have multiple accounts. If you are going to try and act like different people at least know how to trick a message boards IP tracking system (I know how but don't care to tell you trolls how).

I love it when idiots come on and say "oh this is my only account, been reading for a few weeks and decided to join" blah blah blah but when outed they claim ignorance until the end even after admins/mods say different. This is the kind of shit that is ruining this board...

u swore up and down that grand avenue was defunct.....u were wrong

casey szflarski was in a money making position

now u say chicago doesn't have a certain hierarchy

i wish i had the view from your window

By the way, cook, shouldn't you be looting stores in St. Louis right now?

ouch dude, low blow.

Anyway, I had him pegged for The Arm. Whose this Hugh guy?

Yeah and I've been seeing a discouraging amount of racism on these boards lately. We're all guilty of losing our temper once in a while, but there are still lines you shouldn't cross if for no other reason than simple courtesy. You don't have to like everyone, or even respect them personally, but you should always respect the fact that this is a forum for everyone, regardless of their race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. These are aspects of life that shouldn't even enter into the conversations here.