Ten years for murder in Canada? LOL

Nicky Mouth is facing 17-25 years with no parole for taking bets and selling viagra. Imagine the number of murders in NYC if that was the mandatory sentence over here for murder one. RICO forced everyone in the US to go underground.

While Vito and Nick rose to power by murder by all means Vito was known more for keeping peace than to kill. Granted they were pretty ruthless getting to the top, but while Vito reigned over the GTA he wasn't quite known for being a ruthless individual. Only after he was sent away was when the major violence started and he continued when he came back home. Remember the papers up there were calling him a dead man walking when he re-entered the GTA.

He controlled ALL of the construction there and the drug pipeline. That is pretty good money. I'm not ready to say they made MORE than all 5 families combined but I am willing to say they made more money than most of the 5 NY families for sure.

As for the laws yes they are not as bad North of the border but that doesn't change the fact the RMCP continued to go after the family trying to keep him behind bars and couldn't do it.

Its easier to prosecute when bookies flip when facing 25 years or someone is facing 70 years for a car theft ring. How many guys in Canada would be flipping if facing life for nonviolent crimes or the death penalty?

First, while they may not be as big into the drug trade as the Rizzutos, and they don't necessarily need to be because of their diversification, the New York families are still are significant players in the drug trade. To say they have "small drug interests" isn't accurate. It's also important to remember there's quite a difference in the size of the geographic area the 5 NY families operate in within the extended NY metropolitan area and the greater Montreal area the Rizzutos operate in.

Second, drugs are usually the single biggest moneymaker but to say that they make more money than all the other rackets combined also isn't necessarily accurate.

Third, if you look at the history of the Rizzuto's drug trafficking operations, the majority of it isn't going into the U.S. but, rather, into Canada to be sold in Montreal and elsewhere. Whatever the Rizzutos have moved into New York, which would typically be in conjunction with the NY families anyway, isn't enough to qualify the claims you're making.

10 years mandatory minimum for, yet, Canada manages to have less murders by several orders of magnitude per capita. jail time, regardless of its length and severity, has never been a deterrent to crime or recidivism anywhere. So, nah, I don't think it'd be any better or worse than it currently is in the US.

Mafia murders take place regardless of the potential consequences and you could easily argue that the dwindling number of murders has more to do with the fact that there are just fewer italian-americans getting into organized crime than there were 30-40 years ago.

who are the five families gonna wholesale their drugs to?

this ain't the 1950s

If you had the reading ability above a 3rd grader, I would tell you to look at the DEA or NY/NY HIDTA reports about LCN drug trafficking, or LCN drug cases in New York over the past decade or so. But, since you don't, nevermind.

Very true, what you said Ivy. The population of NYC alone has more than double the population the Greater Montreal Area. That's a huge amount of demand. Any LCN dealer in the NY area probably has zero trouble unloading their product.

A lot of what goes into Montreal must invariably spread out into central Canada where there are no ports.

To clear a point of contention Ivy my understanding is a LARGE % of the coke imported goes to the US.

So a Montreal v NY comparison is far from accurate.

Gambino's and the Sicilian mafia are heavy in the drug trade..

When were there large scale NY LCN Coke or Heroin busts?

Not since the late 80's from memory.

Pills, weed there are convictions but 100+ kilo busts are well over.

IE there is little evidence the NY 5 are involved in large scale wholesale distribution of grade A narcotics.

There may be indervidual cases of small time dealing or movement in weed etc, but little evidence of wholesale movement of hard drugs.

Correct me if Im wrong?

Just go back a 6 months and you've got Cali's guy Lupoi in a huge coke conspiracy with N;drangheta. Cali and Nicchi going back and fourth between Sicily and NY, out of freindship? I doubt it...

Stand corrected.

You made a decent case though Sonny, since the Gambino brothers got locked up there wasn't too many big drug trafficking cases. The relationship between the Sicilians and the Gambino's was reignited (through Cali and Nicchi) in 2003 I believe according to the FBI and they know what's going on, as do the italian authorities.

IMO It's only a matter of time before Cali goes away on heavy drug charges, to be fair he's been very smart so far.

What tells me about his power is that when he came out of prison he pretty much killed all his enemies within a year.

Agreed and people are STILL killing for him.

You can also look at one of the recent cases involving the Gambino family's Trucchio crew. Among the allegations was that the crew had tens of thousands of kilos of cocaine, marijuana, and ecstasy pills in Queens, from the late 1980's to 2010, which brought in tens of millions of dollars.

You can read the December 2008 New York/New Jersey HIDTA Drug Threat Overview, March 2009 DEA Drug Threat Assessment" or the April 2009, drug market analysis by the National Drug Intelligence Center. The LCN is said to be involved in marijuana, heroin, cocaine, and ecstasy distribution at the wholesale, middle, and retail levels. The LCN was said to facilitate drug smuggling through several U.S. POE's, had very close working relationships with Italian organized crime, were increasingly working with Mexican DTO's, worked with mid-level and retail-level distribution groups and street gangs such as the Latin Kings, OMG's such as the Hells Angels, and independent dealers who distributed drugs in bars and clubs.

That said, I for one don't deny that the LCN has been marginalized in the drug trade. They were never in a position to control cocaine or marijuana. And their dominance over the heroin trade has been over for 30 years. But they are still significant players in the drug trade in New York.

I read 6th family couples yrs ago down myrtly beach every guy in it is dead today. that book is like 5yrs old and plays in my head like its was written in the 70tys. my thing is vito wasn't the boss he cut up the money and power evenly with the other 5 or so guys he was family with. his fathe got caught on tape cutting a pile of money evenly. they were all blood related or by marriage. like sal vitale testified vito said were all even if you want to make someone the capo make my father nick.