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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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Yeah I think it was also Michael Franzese who said mob guys today (young guys) couldn't point to Italy on a map. Maybe he has a point. It was former FBI agent Joe Pistone who told the New York Post: “They [the younger generation] don't have the wherewithal to cultivate the politicians and judges. Most of these guys couldn't point out Italy on a map.”
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: yigido]
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07/28/14 07:17 AM
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and then you got those guido's like jersey shore who are just a shame for italian-americans. and a lot of italian-americans probably also dont know italian anymore.
First off, only 2 or 3 were actually italian on that show. One was half puerto rican. They were a total disgrace and made a mockery of italian americans. Just like the soprano's , with their kids cursing at the dinner table. That ever happened in my house , my father would of chopped my head off and still made everyone finish everything my mother made.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: Belmont]
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07/28/14 07:29 AM
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That ever happened in my house , my father would of chopped my head off and still made everyone finish everything my mother made. Amen to that, kid. Amen to that .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: Beanshooter]
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07/28/14 07:44 AM
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Snooki was raised Italian she was born in Chile as was Lilo Brancato who is Colombian. I hear ya, Beanie. But if we're looking to prove that environment trumps heredity, those two may very well be the worst two examples known to man .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
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07/29/14 11:57 AM
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PB, To your knowledge, is Michael Franzese adopted? He's legally adopted. But he claims that he found out years later that Sonny was his real father anyway. Barring a DNA test, which we'll never get, who the Hell knows?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
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07/29/14 12:11 PM
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Don't use "Who the Hell knows" with him. he rather you use God only knows! Very clever! And in all fairness to Brother Michael, I've heard that he takes his Born Again Christianity VERY seriously. So good for him . I don't begrudge people who REALLY turn their lives around. It's not like he's Sammy the Bull getting his kids involved in drug dealing after getting a get-out-of-jail-free card .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: Alfanosgirl]
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07/29/14 02:16 PM
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Women and Bootleggers
The Italian WOMEN are the ones that decided to NOT ALLOW their children to speak Italian outside the home so they can be considered real Americans and speak English.
I know that my own grandma and her cousin were spat at for walking on the sidewalk instead of the gutter. And my grandma's cousin gave that man such a beating with her pocketbook. This is what we Italians had to go through in the early 1900's. This is why there were wiseguys to PROTECT the Italian people from all the discrimination. We couldn't trust the police the government why would they help our people. During ww2 the Italian ppl were considered enemies of the U.S. They had curfews allowed to go only to and from work. Of course there's more I can add but that's enough for now.
Bootlegging made us all rich and we were able to dig ourselves out of the gutter. Every Italian had a bootlegger in the family:)
Do you actually believe this though? The majority of Italians and Italian-Americans were not involved in organized crime or the mob. Yes some were; but this does not mean that the majority of people were since they were not. Would making wine at home be considered "bootlegging"? I mean it's not buying it in a store. I have Italian relatives who did this, and they still do it but they do not sell it they just give it away to other family members and friends, or share a small glass of it with people during a dinner. Also a lot of old Italian immigrants I have met and their kids who are first generation Italian-Americans did not like the mob and said how the idea that they were somehow protected by the mob was a myth. They said that the Italian mob would extort money from local Italian run mom and pop run businesses.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: yigido]
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07/29/14 02:33 PM
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: Mukremin]
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07/29/14 04:59 PM
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That is true, it happens to all nationalities in time. We can expect the same here in the Netherlands for the Turkish minority, somehow the italians and the turks have the same ties to the old country. The Italians are loosing it though. Curious about something Turks are in the minority you said. That also means they are probably the poorest in your country is that right? How do you heat your house? Do the Turks heat their places with dirty coal right? What do you use? The poor is where the real crime is its like that in every country. As long as their poor that is where Illegal money can be made.
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Re: italian-american assimilation
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07/29/14 05:01 PM
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Women and Bootleggers
The Italian WOMEN are the ones that decided to NOT ALLOW their children to speak Italian outside the home so they can be considered real Americans and speak English.
I know that my own grandma and her cousin were spat at for walking on the sidewalk instead of the gutter. And my grandma's cousin gave that man such a beating with her pocketbook. This is what we Italians had to go through in the early 1900's. This is why there were wiseguys to PROTECT the Italian people from all the discrimination. We couldn't trust the police the government why would they help our people. During ww2 the Italian ppl were considered enemies of the U.S. They had curfews allowed to go only to and from work. Of course there's more I can add but that's enough for now.
Bootlegging made us all rich and we were able to dig ourselves out of the gutter. Every Italian had a bootlegger in the family:)
Do you actually believe this though? The majority of Italians and Italian-Americans were not involved in organized crime or the mob. Yes some were; but this does not mean that the majority of people were since they were not. Would making wine at home be considered "bootlegging"? I mean it's not buying it in a store. I have Italian relatives who did this, and they still do it but they do not sell it they just give it away to other family members and friends, or share a small glass of it with people during a dinner. Also a lot of old Italian immigrants I have met and their kids who are first generation Italian-Americans did not like the mob and said how the idea that they were somehow protected by the mob was a myth. They said that the Italian mob would extort money from local Italian run mom and pop run businesses. The majority of Italians were NOT criminals. Nope I do not believe making wine at home is bootlegging. It's just a tradition. Everybody did it. The truth of the matter is that Italian families were fairly large in number. Most but not all had a relative or two or three who were willing to get into the bootlegging business during that era. They are already making their own wine at home so why not make booze and turn it into a profit. There's a LOT of money in it. Most Italians at that time weren't educated in their own native language and had no job skills. So it's a quick way to make easy cash for the WHOLE family. Remember this is a time when you live in the same house or right next door to ur relatives. So now nobody is going hungry. Now the family has money more money than they've ever seen in their life. So what do the responsible ones do like my family? They use that money to start up businesses, to buy property and that's exactly what they did. I was told that this was very common but it's a hush hush subject cuz people don't want to say that their families started out as bootleggers. We can argue all day about this but I know what I was told and this is what was happening in the Italian families who got themselves out of the gutter in the 1920's. As for the protection from the gangsters I was told that the Italians came over and settled with the same people from their villages. So we all started out together as just Italians seeking a better life. You have to stay in your own neighborhood. The police are not going to help your kind. You are AFRAID. So now all of a sudden you see Tony D who decides to become a street hood n you've known him from Italy since you were a kid so you trust this guy. He says he can protect you and you believe him so you pay this friend who is now a hood. Protect you from what? Sometimes things did happen like a thug comes into YOUR STORE in YOUR neighborhood trying to rob you. Who do you go to Yup, Tony D... And he will sure as hell get a hold of that thug and give him a beating, get the money back for you and of course take his cut. And that's just how it works. So go ahead u can say whatcha gotta say to me but in the end All I gotta say to u guy is this ---Unless u know what I know U DONT KNOW NUTTIN
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: yigido]
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07/29/14 05:03 PM
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Footreads, Holland is actually pretty good with supplying the basics. Even the poor are ok out there. The highest crime I noticed out there was in moraccan neighborhoods. But of course some turks do their dirt too
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Re: italian-american assimilation
[Re: blacksheep]
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07/29/14 05:07 PM
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Footreads, Holland is actually pretty good with supplying the basics. Even the poor are ok out there. The highest crime I noticed out there was in moraccan neighborhoods. But of course some turks do dirt too There's a big Muslim population out there?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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