No argument there .

For what it's worth (my opinion means nothing) Crea has been boss since his parole restrictions expired in 2009. Amuso has had little or no say in the family since 2003, pretty much all his loyalists were in jail, while Migliore, DiNapoli and Madonna were running things while Crea was in jail. Why would they kick upto a guy with no powerbase who's completely fucked up the family, they let him keep his stripes until Crea came home, he's been the real power in the family for 20 years. What he says goes.

Added to which even dumbass Capeci's 'contacts' state Amuso is hated on the street.

Why he believes Vic is still in the big chair is beyond me.

As stated by others my only conclusion is it's a red herring designed either by the Feds or Capeci to stir the nest.

Capeci's better than this. He's trying to sell ice to the Eskimo's with this shit. And I'm amazed he's got the balls.

Unless he's doing it for a reason....

When was Scarfo jr. made? That was a result of Amuso and Scarfo plotting together in prison and deciding up that. I think he was made in 1999-2000, but I'm not sure. If that is so, Amuso had to have been calling the shots otherwise why would Crea allow that headache. Your thoughts?

There you go, Tex .

Interesting point. From memory Nicky Jnr was hit in 91? Made soon after, so that would still fit in the above timeline, with him losing control late 90's.

Stevie has always been close to the Pernas and the Jersey faction through Hooks and Joey G. It's entirely possible he did it for them. He's also an old timer at heart, and he may have simply done it for Scarfo. Who knows?

89 I think, think it was around 95 he got made.

Home run the blue Jays!

Good memory, Sonny. That timeline fits because Stevie's influence date back to the mid to late '90s.

Let me quote myself because his influence as the main power dates back to the late '90s. He was a very powerful guy in his own right ten years prior to that. He was partnered with the DiNapolis and a millionaire in construction before his 40th birthday. He's a very impressive guy, as far as those guys go.

And that, closes the issue.

All due respect (or lack there of) to Capeci, I think we can put this thread to bed now.

Could someone clarify me i read capeci article he says madonna was his righthand man on the street whose he talking about. Is he creas guy or amuso. Crea was acting consig in 90 or 91 so amuso seen something in him and guess he wasnt on vic n gas hitlist like neil mig was. But madoona was in jail from 75 to 95.woonder how he even met amuso who got life mid 90tys and madonna was wrapping up. I did see and remember amuso son inlaw got some sway. I remember a article by capeci were he killed that hitman joe watts saying he was a government witness and they staged a fake trial or pleabargin hearing and who ever told him that shit was all bs i think it was l.e. cause the retracted that quick think thats when he was working for.tbe sun. The guy joe watts had good lawyers and took pleas unlike john gotti order who was the smart guy in the end even thou the feds hit him again since but might get out oneday and was still doing mafia shit just acouple yrs ago.

I thought that was more of a move to placate the bronx guys.

My fault i misread.

Didn't Crea reluctantly make Scarfo after Amuso pushed him to do it?

And for what it's worth, Capeci did quote 4 sources including three in law enforcement. My question is where were all these sources when he originally said Amuso stepped down?

Stevie and the Bronx/Harlem faction were the power when Scarfo got straightened out.


The reason is debatable.

Is there even a difference between acting and official boss at this point? It's not like Amuso could give a lot of orders since he can't possibly know what's going on the streets after being locked up for 25 years. He probably has never even met most his captains. The only difference I can think of is whether Amuso is still getting money or not.

Whether or not you believe the article---and I've made my feelings pretty clear---I think everyone can agree that for all practical purposes, Stevie has final say in the street. And it's been that way for quite some time now.

If Vic was supposedly a pawn used by Anthony Casso then how did he retain so much power over a decade after going to prison - independent of Casso?

I mean the guy has been characterised as an insecure, subservient pushover yet he ordered and possibly carried out more killings than any other contemporary crime boss.

It fascinates me. I really don't think anyone can paint a full, consistent picture of what Amuso was like - certainly compared to other significant mafia figures. So many accounts of Amuso seem to directly contradict each other.

Moe, Thanks for the link, this should get interesting considering this guy's last article on Borgesi and the Philly Hierarchy.

In all fairness, he's just regurgitating the bullshit that Capeci reported this week. Can't blame this guy for everything .

He has a GOOD source if it has anything to do with NY wiseguys especially Brooklyn. I know he gets his info from a guy who is from the neighborhood who grew up with wiseguys and was an associate.
But you didn't hear that from me.

I actually had a beef with him a cpl yrs ago cuz he used my lil pal video I made without asking my permission. I told him take it down n he did. That's how I found out his source.

I'm sure he's an okay guy. But everyone gets it wrong now and then. And he's not open to criticism at all. That's half his problem. If you're going to be in a creative field, like writing, you have to be able to accept criticism, or people are going to deliberately look to tear you apart. Especially today, in the age of blogs and Amazon reviews.

It's much easier to say I was wrong once, than go on a tantrum with twenty back and forth insults. Just my two cents .

Alfanosgirl are you talking about Capeci or Ed Scarpo(Cosanostranews)?

I'm talkin about the Cosa Nostra news writer not Capeci a capisci? Giggle

....Oh ok i understand.