That was another, separate charge, I believe.

Joey is the youngest (of the sons that are charged), with the cleanest record.

Vinny Jr's plea calls for 46 to 57 months. Plus, he owes some time on an unrelated gambling case. He gets sentenced soon, and he's expecting to receive the high end of the sentence.

Stephen's sentencing is even more complicated because there are threats of guns and violence on tape and he has a lengthier record than his brothers.

Ahhh okay gotcha. Was just wondering cuz I saw the post you said they all copped to 5 years

No problem. I guess I could have clarified it better. But now I did .

Kind of a surprising sentence. A friend of mine got 6 months for just selling a couple of ounces to an informant, but then again nj pot laws are a little bit different.

lol acouple oz's

Well, your friend's father probably wasn't the former boss of a major crime family .

And I realize that it must seem that I go out of my way to protect these boys on this site, and I guess that's true to a degree. Because they're grown men now, and when you play you pay. But the truth is, this entire case doesn't get an inch of press if it wasn't for their last name.

And that last name will definitely have some impact on the sentences of Stephen and Little Vinny. Especially Little Vinny because the Judge thinks he's a wiseguy.

ya thats true, it probably wasn't even the biggest drug bust they made that week in NY, yet it no doubt made the front page.

PB did you see this what are your thoughts? I know you hate Cicale http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/ex-bonanno-capo-asks-judge-to-show-leniency-for-mobsters-son/

Cicale has a twitter. He posts bs philosophical ramblings all day in an attempt to justify his ratting.

I don't hate him. I just think he's a bottom feeding steroid case. But he should fucking die anyway. Eh, maybe I do hate him .

As far as that joke of a letter, he's probably laying the groundwork to move back to Crosby Avenue. He wouldn't be the first rat to come home. He'll probably go to work for PJ at one of his gyms .

And he picked the right kid to right the letter for. Joseph has the cleanest record, no violence. It won't do Stephen and Little Vinny any good, though. Those two boys are certainly no angels, but if not for their last name they'd have broken this down to less than a year. Guaran-fucking-teed.

If I didn't know his heritage, I would think he was Middle Eastern.

Pizza i was reading the book Vinnie gorgeous. Apparently cicale was not even involved until 1999 when he was introduced to Basciano by Anthony Indelicato after he had done like 8 years for dope. Anyway Vinnie apparently took such a liking to him that he had him made in 02 and Cicale was acting capo in 04. Pretty crazy that he rose so fast.

Another interesting thing from the book is that Cicale had a reputation of having a "bad wire" on him before he became involved.

You have to wonder what Vinnie saw in him and how he could have been so off.

Some rise Basciano had. He's in a photo with Trinchera, Giaccone and Lino from over 30 years ago and he still isn't even 55.

Even if he became boss at 54, he would be considered a young boss. He was boss.... when was his tenure again?

He surely has to be one of the youngest bosses/acting/street ever, no?

I don't want to sound like an asshole know-it-all. But I posted that about Cicale way before that book came out, and there are posters here who can attest to that.

He had a sealed plea in Florida. Florida! In the land of the electric chair, they went out of their way to seal this asshole's plea? Puh-leeeeze. The whole neighborhood knew it.

And Vinny's a VERY sharp guy. Unfortunately for him, the one mistake he made was a big one. For all of that Last Godfather bullshit, they never would have convicted Vinny based on Massino's testimony alone. It was Cicale that sealed his fate.

As far as the book, it wasn't DeStefano's best. The parts about Vinny strolling his Throggs Neck neighborhood like an emperor, or whatever the fuck he wrote, were pure bullshit. He was nothing like that. Nothing . . . like . . . that .

Cicale was one of the guys who really pushed the idea that Vinny wanted to kill that prosecutor, I've always thought that was BS or at least said in jest.

According to the book he was part of a panel along with 3 others when massino went away in january 03. I think early 04 he got made acting boss when a couple other guys from the panel (cant remember names) went away. I think vinnie was only acting boss for a little less than a year. That is when he made cicale capo of his crew.

Then when basciano went away last 04 he made mancuso acting boss. Then mancuso went away for okaying the pizzola hit. Its like musical chairs with the bonnano family lol.

Vinny's the EXACT same age as me. He's two or three weeks younger, actually. So he was about 45 at the time he got the nod. Same age as Gotti Senior was when he clipped Big Paul.

Pizza was that for the murder case he only did like a year on? There was an article on that how he did like a year for murder then 8 for drugs. Link:http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-02-22/news/9101090918_1_gain-time-sentencing-prison

It was actually meant to show the problems with drug sentencing but I think it actually showed that cicale ratted on his crew for leniency on the murder case.

He ratted them all out down there. Everyone knew it. But Vinny liked him. And I gotta give it to him. When Vinny liked you, he'd fucking die with you. And I almost never say that about wiseguys. He's a loyal friend. But look what it got him .

So Basciano knows the kid is a rat but brings him in makes him a capo and brings him along on a murder? Did he think Cicale had rehabilitated from being an informant by doing 8 years in federal prison?

He didn't believe it. Simple as that. Big mistake.

I still don't understand why did Basciano personally take part in the Santoro murder. I know it was personal, Santoro was going to kidnap his son etc, but still, a commission member pulling the trigger himself? This isn't Sicily. When Carlo Gambino's nephew was killed, he at least didn't whack McBratney himself.

who knows

the same reason scarfo as boss was on it hits

he loved that shit and wanted to be there

I don't think so. Vinny let his heart rule his brain because of the threat made to his son (which was a very real threat, and not imagined, by the way). I'm not a Philly guy, but I've read and heard that with Scarfo it was a blood lust thing. Vinny wasn't like that at all.

maybe he wasnt as crazy as scarfo

but he let his lust for revenge, overtake his brain and wanted to be there when he didnt need to

Vinny was a killer, plain and simple. Most of these guys are...almost all. And Vinny can definitely be defined as a killer, regardless of how good of a guy you thought he was.

He was in on hits, and ordered hits resulting in several lives lost.

I never said he was a "good guy." When these guys go up for life I don't lose a wink of sleep. You play you pay. You kill people, you belong in prison. Period. I was just trying to convey his mindset at the time. That's all.

while he does deserve life, his treatment is bin laden like

ridiculous, they are really sticking it to the guy, maybe even worse than they did Gotti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eQcPxvoMlc

He is now on youtube.He honestley seems like a jerkoff i really dont know what vinny saw in this guy

Get the fuck out of here. Rebuild his brand??

He's priming himself to come back to New York, just like I said. Probably looking for a reality show or a blog. What a fucking joke.

Real estate, insurance company, title company, etc.... They were all Vinny's, in a single office on Middletown Road.

And again, I'm not sugarcoating Vinny's life. He is what he is, and he's paying the price for it. And I fully realize that I'm overprotective of his kids (that's honestly more for their Mother than anything else). But what's right is right. This fucking lowlife is so full of shit I can smell it online .