He killed several guys in his crew after they robbed JKF airport.did he get Paul Various permission to kill Pauls crew members?

Possibly,

But a lot of the guys he killed in his crew were not made just associates, and some were not even Italian.

Not sure how much permission he needed to kill some of these guys.

I think he need to get Various permission. I dont think a capo will just sit there watching guys in his crew get whacked,unless it was planned previously and he allow the killers to do this.

Those who were killed were part of Burke's crew, not Vario's. Big Paul wouldn't care as long as he was making money off of it.

Jimmy Berk is an associate of Pauls crew,so Berks crew members are Pauls crew members.

Where they they were just guys Berk used to rob Lufthansa and other scores. They had nothing to do with anyone else.

So they were all expendable.he can always find more guys to help them steal.

Nope.

They arent member of Variou crew? Maybe i had a wrong memory.

Arent Louis Cafora an associate of Lucheese family?

They were likely associates, sure. But not "on record" with any made guys. Not under their protection. The Mafia is fuedal as fuck. Noone prolly gave a shit if it wasn't planned.

some guy from boston got killed but he tried to jerk him in a coke deal.

Let's say besides stealing. They were making other money with you in the drug business and without you that drug business would end. You are safe very safe no one is going to touch you.

In wiki some guys was added as Vario crew members.

Heres a guy killed by Burke,Paolo LiCastri,hes a made man of Sisily mafia,likely to be one of the zips following Galante.Jimmy even killed this ranking guy.

He was made in Sicily, but not in America, so he had no ranking here. Who knows why he was killed. Maybe he stole some of the money that was supposed to go to the Gambinos or Bonannos.

Not how it works, they would be associates maybe, but just on record w/ Burke who I so record w/ Vario

If those guys are connected,then they certainly report to the capo,or maybe they are just loosely associated with crew members,means no body is taking care of them.

Since when do associates report to capos?

"The Heist," a very readable account of Lufthansa by Ernest Volkman and John Cummings, agrees with you, SC.

But as long as they are crew members,capo is supposed to protect them,right?

Didn't Henry Hill report to Vario? Then you had that Vollaro rat who reported to Nicky Corozzo

I think every one in the crew was under protection of Vario,no matter who he reports to. Like Donnie Brasco,he reports to Lefty,but Sonny Black is always responsible for him.

Then why did so many of them end up dead?

Paul Vario cared about Paul Vario, his brothers, his sons, and the soldiers in his crew. It's on the soldiers to protect their associates. Period. Now do associates sometimes get protected by skippers who like them? Sure, but that's the exception, not the rule.

By your logic, every truck driver with a Teamster book back then was under the protection of a skipper.

Get off the American television, Simon. And by the way, welcome to the board .

The men Burke had killed were members of his own crew, not the Vario crew. Burke did not ask for the contract on Paolo LiCastri, but was given to him to do and that had nothing to do with the heist.

Burke did not have to get permission from Vario to kill the guys in his own crew, but if a member of that crew was on record with a soldier, then it is on that soldiers head for not protecting that guy as PB pointed out above.

in my imagination ,associates working for the family,so theres going to be some ranking members protect them. Pistone said when amother family would like to use him,let him carry some gambling businuss ,they have to ask permission from Sonny Black.
Anyway,maybe theres not a rule,but the capos need associates to run business,he also hang out with these guys,use these guys as muscles,wont they show a personal favor on these people?
I also read when gotti crew killed Tommy DeSimone,they asked Vario for the permission.

Thanks,i think you means the guys Burke killed werent the connected guys of Lucheese family ,right?so they have nothing to do with the family,they are just independent robbers that work for Jimmy?

Maybe my question isnt clear enough.i simply want to know if Burke want to kill the guy likr Henry Hill,does he need a permission?(i dont know whether guys he killed were at the same level as Hill)
And by the way,which soldier does Henry and Burke report to? Thanks.

As I understand it, Jimmy Burke was a formal associate of the Vario crew, as in "on record" but this title belied his importance to Paul Vario in as much as he ran his own crew on the side...not something common to mere associates, but telling of Burkes reputation as both an earner and a killer that stood him apart from most other associates at the time. From all I've read and heard of him,his word carried weight, even amongst people of a techinecly higher rank. Without a doubt had he been Italian he most definitely would have been made.

Of the people involved in the actual heist, I think most reported to Burke rather than Vario and none were made at the time of the robbery.

The actual robbers who preformed the robbery; Tommy DeSimone, Joe Civitello, Louis Cafora, Angelo Sepe, Tony Rodriguez and Burkes son Frank James Burke.
With the exception of Louis Cafora who was killed with his wife, all the others murdered as a result of the heist were people involved in the planning or clean up,not the actual mechanics of the hold up, due to Burkes paranoia upon discovering the size of the haul was much larger than expected.

Those wacked as a result; Parnell "stacks" Edwards, Louis Cafora and wife Joanne, Martin Krugman, Richard Eaton, Tom Monteleone, Joe Marni, Robert McMahon, Therese Ferrara and Paolo LiCastri. (not sure on LiCastris status made/not? he was included as a liaison for the Gambino's make sure they got their share) With the exception of maybe LiCastri I don't think Burke would have needed to seek approval to clip the others involved and if anything, the higher ups probably considered the more people removed from the equation with the scrutiny that size score was generating, the better.

As far as if he wanted to hit Hill, that may be different because Hill grew up with the Varios and was also on record as an associate directly to Vario. It was Tuddy vario who originaly put Hill with Burke.

It wasn't as much as they asked for Varios permission in that he set DeSimone up to be hit by them. While Hill was away in prison, Paul Vario had been having an affair with his wife Karen. When Tommy DeSimone tried to bang her also ,some accounts say attempted rape, Vario told the Gambinos that it had been DeSimone who had killed two Gambino guys thus paving the way for him to be hit by them. Word was the Varios hated Tommy D and he was aligned more through Jimmy Burke.

I think you should stop using your imagination .