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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779188
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"donald sterling is probably going to hell when he dies"

I think people who say this kind of stuff will most likely wind up in hell themselves. Well, I will see you there when I die.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779216
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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I've pretty much kept out of this discussion but recently it's been made public that the NBA owner's are going to attempt to vote to force Donald Sterling to sell his team. His wife, Shelly Sterling owns 50% of the team and she doesn't want to sell. LeBron James and Magic Johnson have both come forward to pretty much state that they want all of the Sterling's gone from the Clippers. Now, my question is, is that really fair? Shelly never made those comments and it just seems like guilt by association. If the NBA wants to run Donald Sterling out of the game, fine, I have no problem with that. But is it right for other players to say his estranged wife be gone too although (to public knowledge) she's done nothing wrong here!?



owning an NBA team isnt a right...there are bylaws you have to abide by...almost like owning a condo or a town home...you dont abide by the guidelines (loud music, garbage, etc.) they can force you to move...its not like there going to make just the husband move, kids and wife and dog gotta go to

That's pretty much it. There really isn't any due process like in a court of law. But owners know this going in. It's not like they're changing the NBA by-laws just to torture this guy.


Owning an NBA team may not be a right but, my question is, will Sterling be paid if and when the team is taken away? Whatever he said, it's his property and somebody's property being taken away from them simply for what they think or say sets a dangerous precedent.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: IvyLeague] #779218
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Owning an NBA team may not be a right but, my question is, will Sterling be paid if and when the team is taken away? Whatever he said, it's his property and somebody's property being taken away from them simply for what they think or say sets a dangerous precedent.

Is keeping the money even a question? Because I agree, that would be absurd.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779224
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Is keeping the money even a question? Because I agree, that would be absurd.


It shouldn't be but in our society, where political correctness holds such sway, nothing would surprise me.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: IvyLeague] #779243
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: cheech
Originally Posted By: Irishman12
I've pretty much kept out of this discussion but recently it's been made public that the NBA owner's are going to attempt to vote to force Donald Sterling to sell his team. His wife, Shelly Sterling owns 50% of the team and she doesn't want to sell. LeBron James and Magic Johnson have both come forward to pretty much state that they want all of the Sterling's gone from the Clippers. Now, my question is, is that really fair? Shelly never made those comments and it just seems like guilt by association. If the NBA wants to run Donald Sterling out of the game, fine, I have no problem with that. But is it right for other players to say his estranged wife be gone too although (to public knowledge) she's done nothing wrong here!?



owning an NBA team isnt a right...there are bylaws you have to abide by...almost like owning a condo or a town home...you dont abide by the guidelines (loud music, garbage, etc.) they can force you to move...its not like there going to make just the husband move, kids and wife and dog gotta go to

That's pretty much it. There really isn't any due process like in a court of law. But owners know this going in. It's not like they're changing the NBA by-laws just to torture this guy.


Owning an NBA team may not be a right but, my question is, will Sterling be paid if and when the team is taken away? Whatever he said, it's his property and somebody's property being taken away from them simply for what they think or say sets a dangerous precedent.



donald sterling breached his contract, why should he get paid?

what the fuck would they pay him for?

it's funny how "upstanding citizens" are always defending degenerate racists

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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779244
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If or when a sale of the team takes place, whether voluntary or coerced, Sterling will receive full compensation for his proprietary interest in the team. That is guaranteed by league bylaws and state and federal law. There has been no serious suggestion otherwise.

The league could possibly eventually sell the team at market value if it is determined that the league has proper authority to compel a sale and the owner does not act with due speed in that regard. Also, the league must approve any sale before it takes place.But that scenario would be years in the future.

While the NBA appears to be on solid ground banning him from the game for life, forcing him to sell the team is a much harder proposition. Both sides have arguable legal bases.

Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: klydon1] #779246
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
If or when a sale of the team takes place, whether voluntary or coerced, Sterling will receive full compensation for his proprietary interest in the team. That is guaranteed by league bylaws and state and federal law. There has been no serious suggestion otherwise.

The league could possibly eventually sell the team at market value if it is determined that the league has proper authority to compel a sale and the owner does not act with due speed in that regard. Also, the league must approve any sale before it takes place.But that scenario would be years in the future.

While the NBA appears to be on solid ground banning him from the game for life, forcing him to sell the team is a much harder proposition. Both sides have arguable legal bases.

Thanks, Klyd. That's pretty much what I thought, but it's always nice seeing you lay it out for us smile.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: cookcounty] #779247
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
donald sterling breached his contract, why should he get paid?

what the fuck would they pay him for?

Read Klydon's post above. As a matter of law, he must receive full compensation if and when the team is sold.

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
it's funny how "upstanding citizens" are always defending degenerate racists

I've been on this asshole's case since the story broke. But since I think he should receive fair compensation for a team that the man PAID FOR, I'm somehow defending his despicable position on Blacks? rolleyes


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779268
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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779269
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Stop responding to Cook. He is literally wrong on every subject, substantively and factually. He never thinks or better yet attempts to learn, just reacts emotionally to everything.

You can't just liquidate assets, regardless of the justness of the liquidation process, without compensation. In this case, this sterling litigation will go on for years and years and years.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: Dellacroce] #779270
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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
PB a VERY old but wise man once told me Don't Feed the Fucking Trolls!! grin

lol lol


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: LittleNicky] #779272
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
In this case, this sterling litigation will go on for years and years and years.

And years grin.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779279
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I'm all for him selling. But u cannot stop his right to earn for saying and thinking racist remarks.

Cook. I know you're not as dumb as you come off. Think about this for a second. Not any man woman or child with common sense would think he shouldn't receive monies from the sale.

The guy is a billionaire. He doesn't care about the money. His enjoyment were his "trophy" players. Taken it away is worse than taking away money anyway.

And I wholeheartedly believe he is a nasty old racist.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779280
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I mean earn from the sale. To clarify


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: cheech] #779288
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Originally Posted By: cheech
Cook. I know you're not as dumb as you come off.

I think he's selling you short, Cook grin .


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: cheech] #779298
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Originally Posted By: cheech
I'm all for him selling. But u cannot stop his right to earn for saying and thinking racist remarks.

Cook. I know you're not as dumb as you come off. Think about this for a second. Not any man woman or child with common sense would think he shouldn't receive monies from the sale.

The guy is a billionaire. He doesn't care about the money. His enjoyment were his "trophy" players. Taken it away is worse than taking away money anyway.

And I wholeheartedly believe he is a nasty old racist.


I think he WAS a nasty old racist for many years. And the NBA had plenty of time to do something about ,you know, his actual actions that ruined people's lives(housing discrimination or beating his son).

But now we live in a heavily narcissistic society of attempting to trump each other in self-righteousness. If there was something to be mad at it- it was his overt acts that harmed people, not this bullshit senile gibberish that actually hurts nobody. But the old adage of "being what we do- not what we say say we are, not what we wish to be" has long sense faded. It says more about us as a society and less about retards like sterling.

Now he is just a senile old fool that doesnt know his head from his ass.

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779324
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I suppose cook thinks we should be able to have our personal property taken from us for private thoughts and conversations. Eerily similar to 1984. FYI Cook, 1984 is a book. A book is.... well forget it.

Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: LittleNicky] #779373
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: cheech
I'm all for him selling. But u cannot stop his right to earn for saying and thinking racist remarks.

Cook. I know you're not as dumb as you come off. Think about this for a second. Not any man woman or child with common sense would think he shouldn't receive monies from the sale.

The guy is a billionaire. He doesn't care about the money. His enjoyment were his "trophy" players. Taken it away is worse than taking away money anyway.

And I wholeheartedly believe he is a nasty old racist.


I think he WAS a nasty old racist for many years. And the NBA had plenty of time to do something about ,you know, his actual actions that ruined people's lives(housing discrimination or beating his son).

But now we live in a heavily narcissistic society of attempting to trump each other in self-righteousness. If there was something to be mad at it- it was his overt acts that harmed people, not this bullshit senile gibberish that actually hurts nobody. But the old adage of "being what we do- not what we say say we are, not what we wish to be" has long sense faded. It says more about us as a society and less about retards like sterling.

Now he is just a senile old fool that doesnt know his head from his ass.


agreed


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779397
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@little nicky

one minute he's senile talking gibberish (HE's NOT SENILE)

the next minute he knows his legal precedents and what loopholes are in NBA bylaws


@italian forever

donald sterling is probably gonna lose his plantation to magic johnson

donald sterling should've kept his dick outta a black/mexican tranny

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that was intelligent cook, thanks


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: LittleNicky] #779412
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Stop responding to Cook. He is literally wrong on every subject, substantively and factually. He never thinks or better yet attempts to learn, just reacts emotionally to everything.

You can't just liquidate assets, regardless of the justness of the liquidation process, without compensation. In this case, this sterling litigation will go on for years and years and years.


Yup. And, in case nobody noticed, I stopped responding to cook a while back. Besides just being a troll, the guy has the IQ of a lima bean. Not worth bothering with.


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: IvyLeague] #779413
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Stop responding to Cook. He is literally wrong on every subject, substantively and factually. He never thinks or better yet attempts to learn, just reacts emotionally to everything.

You can't just liquidate assets, regardless of the justness of the liquidation process, without compensation. In this case, this sterling litigation will go on for years and years and years.


Yup. And, in case nobody noticed, I stopped responding to cook a while back. Besides just being a troll, the guy has the IQ of a lima bean. Not worth bothering with.

I used to think he was just dumb. But after reading this, I'm convinced that he's actually brain damaged:

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
donald sterling is probably gonna lose his plantation to magic johnson

donald sterling should've kept his dick outta a black/mexican tranny


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Re: NBA Owner's Racist Rant [Re: pizzaboy] #779423
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Sterling is not suffering from dementia anymore than the "Chin" was.And if there exists any evidence that one of the symptoms of dementia is making clear and coherent comments about your views of other racial groups,I'd like to see it. His private comments seem to be consistent with some of the actions he's taken in the past.
He made the comments, he should own up to believing them. Let's at least agree on that.


If he made multiple prejudiced comments about Mormons, and owned a sports franchise in Utah..I think he'd become a pariah and the value of his team would sink. If he owned a club soccer team in Europe with heavy Italian fanbase and roster full of Italians and made racist comments about Italians, he'd become a pariah and there would be financial repercussions.

Modern NBA is a global brand with players from, and fanbase in...all four corners of the planet. Sterling is a pariah to the NBA brand. Silver did what he thought he had to do to protect the brand.The other owners will vote to remove Sterling in the best interest of the league,regardless of their personal feelings toward him or how this has played out.

I'm thinking of the fictional lines from American Gangster when the mafioso character was schooling Frank about order. "More important than any one man's life is order."

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Can't argue with any of that Gets.


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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Sterling is not suffering from dementia anymore than the "Chin" was.And if there exists any evidence that one of the symptoms of dementia is making clear and coherent comments about your views of other racial groups,I'd like to see it. His private comments seem to be consistent with some of the actions he's taken in the past.
He made the comments, he should own up to believing them. Let's at least agree on that.


If he made multiple prejudiced comments about Mormons, and owned a sports franchise in Utah..I think he'd become a pariah and the value of his team would sink. If he owned a club soccer team in Europe with heavy Italian fanbase and roster full of Italians and made racist comments about Italians, he'd become a pariah and there would be financial repercussions.

Modern NBA is a global brand with players from, and fanbase in...all four corners of the planet. Sterling is a pariah to the NBA brand. Silver did what he thought he had to do to protect the brand.The other owners will vote to remove Sterling in the best interest of the league,regardless of their personal feelings toward him or how this has played out.

I'm thinking of the fictional lines from American Gangster when the mafioso character was schooling Frank about order. "More important than any one man's life is order."


Again, you completely go off topic. Why are the two propositions you stated mutually exclusive? Why can't he both be racist and senile?

If you listen to other tapes, you can't help put come away thinking he suffers from a mix of old age and mild dementia. I spend lots of time with my grandmother at her memory care unit and I have heard more coherent things come out of their mouths. And they are serious cases. Some of his stuff, especially talking to the rapper about sex, had almost a wordsoup quality.

And the fact you think illegally recorded gibberish that harms nobody is more relevant than his actual horrific behavior throughout his life tells me everything I need to know. The league is full of people that actually harm lives, like having tons of kids that have no hope of actually having a father. Or violence against women in their lives. I'm also sure there are tons of creep owners engaging in the same sort of ugly business as Sterling. On the other hand I doubt any kid is at home crying themselves to asleep at night because a old senile fool was talking to his prostitute about his crackpot theories on life.

I never questioned why the NBA wants to throw him out now. PR wise it makes sense. But there is no substance here (unlike say housing discrimination)- But just people attempting to trump each other in the enlightenment and self-righteousness department. Sterling is a easy target. Talking about the things that fundamentally hurt people and taking action there isn't as interesting or as easy. We are a society of slacktivists with fake outrage.

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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I must say I personally would be embarrassed to be seen with an old fart like Sterling... I would DIE if anyone thought THAT was my boyfriend and not my crazy old grandpap...

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At Cook: I now know what richie aprile was saying when he said "if you want to talk like a fucking m--linyan, i'll take you to slip and falls school".

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
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Modern NBA is a global brand with players from, and fanbase in...all four corners of the planet. Sterling is a pariah to the NBA brand. Silver did what he thought he had to do to protect the brand.The other owners will vote to remove Sterling in the best interest of the league,regardless of their personal feelings toward him or how this has played out.



You hit the nail on the head.

For others to suggest that Sterling's comments were just "gibberish" and didn't hurt anybody is absurd. He clearly and dispassionately expressed his repulsion concerning Blacks attending his team's games and associating with his mistress. The NBA has reached unparalleled global popularity, based in no small measure upon diversity and inclusion. His presence, if Silver allowed it to continue, would damage the league's credibility and marketability.

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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky

Why are the two propositions you stated mutually exclusive? Why can't he both be racist and senile?

If you listen to other tapes, you can't help put come away thinking he suffers from a mix of old age and mild dementia.


Dementia is a medical diagnosis. It is irresponsible to rationalize his racism by speculating and assuming he's suffering from dementia when your sole knowledge is what you've heard. It seems you're trying to create a conveniently self-serving reality to defend him.

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it's funny how some people seriously believe that one person saying something off-colour is actually going to affect the nba brand as a whole. how many people who are fans are actually going to not buy tickets or not watch a game as a result of a few words spoken by somebody in the privacy of their own home that they are never going to meet in real life? then we have a hiv spreading, womenizing pig in magic johnson who wants to interject himself into the equation as some sort of a morality barometer? all we end up getting is the same bunch of bleeding hearts who latch onto this issue the same way that whore girlfriend latched onto an 80 y/o bag of bones. the good news is that the cronkite generation of upper middle class white captain save a ho's are on there way out, so real issues that actually effect people can again soon be discussed! smile


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