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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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05/10/14 07:15 PM
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What hurt them the most and took the organization from a national powerhouse down to its current state?
1. Pendorf, Strawman I & II 2. Greylord, Gambat, Silver Shovel 3. Family Secrets The same factors as every other family - attrition sped along by law enforcement, union reform, etc. Of course attrition hurts everyone. I'm talking about other factors. Philly's turning point was the Scarfo wars killing off half the guys and sending the other half to prison. Rochester was the AB wars. Cleveland was the Danny Greene war. Other families don't have a big event and just fade away due to attrition, like San Jose, Detroit, Buffalo, New Orleans, Tampa etc.
Last edited by mulberry; 05/10/14 07:58 PM.
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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
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05/11/14 10:57 AM
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GaryMartin
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Gambat killed it. Read the Cooley book, when the First Ward was done, it was over.
Now it's just some gaming and street juice. Before Cooley took out Marcy they could murder without any worries. I'm about halfway through Cooley's book and it's a good one. I just keep getting interrupted with "Honey Do's." A fellow forum member suggested the book and also "Everybody Pays," which is the story of the Billy Logan murder by Harry Aleman. Really good book. "The Boys From Chicago Heights" is another good one. Excellent research by Matt Luzi.
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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
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05/11/14 01:24 PM
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I don't know too much about Chi Town but considering they were one family compared to NY with 5 families they did hold a lot of weight in running tons of rackets and had the political clout. To me they were a tight family with not a lot of snitches infiltrating their crews. So that being said they were an elite family imo. When did anyone refute the fact that they were elite? They were considered the #3 family in the country during their prime and Al Capone & Mooney Giancana (to a lesser extent) are two of the most internationally well known gangsters in history.
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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
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05/11/14 01:54 PM
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"The Boys From Chicago Heights" is another good one. Excellent research by Matt Luzi. I also agree.Thats a very good book with a lot of good infos and also photos.
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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
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05/12/14 08:35 PM
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Did the outfit ever & still ask NYC permission for activities like the way Philly mob did? No. Really the only time they crossed paths was mainly involving unions and Vegas. Even then neither had more power over another.
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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
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05/16/14 06:56 AM
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Re: Where did the Outfit fall off the tracks?
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05/16/14 06:58 AM
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Ah yes. Some reason I was thinking Genovese was in it. Point remains, the ties were there. It is also said Genovese was very much in favor of Appalachain being held in Chicago...though that could also have been due to the fact that the police were much more in the Outfit's pocket than anywhere else.
Last edited by funkster; 05/16/14 07:03 AM.
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