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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: JoeEBrown]
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06/28/14 03:45 AM
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I have several pictures with unknowns. I've been asking around but nobody seems to know. Hot Springs photo is actually a postcard with the date on back but the year is obscured by the mark where it was attached to a photo album.None of em appear to be too happy about having their photo taken. I don't know about you, but if I saw those three in Hot Springs, the last thing I would do is take a picture of em! Here are a few more pics. The Accardo Cerone Ricca Aiuppa is my parents wedding. The women are Angie, Joey's wife, and I think the other is Clarice Accardo. I'm sure that can be confirmed by someone on this site. The other group photo I think is Tony Caps daughter's wedding? I don't know the man in the middle he seems to be somebody. Second from right looks like Frankie LaPorte but I don't know. guy on far right looks a little scary. I'd love to know more about these guys... Next, Uncle Joey and Auntie Ange. She was somethin'! Brassy, took no crap from the guys. I remember her yelling at the boys for letting me sip a drink from Joey's glass when I was about four years old. Last is Ansani with? John Binder,local mob expert, thought him to be Joey Obrien but he really looks a lot like Uncle Red, the railroad guard who married my grandmas sister. That's really about all that I know. My dad was never involved so he knew very little. One more anecdote: When Joey got out of prison in 96 I think it was, my dad went to visit him several times. On the last visit he picked up my grandmother, who outlived them all, and the three drove around for a couple of hours. What a scene that must have been! Thanks for letting me share. I'm sure the boys are spinning in their graves over my big mouth but I really don't no nuttin". The same photo of Clarice Accardo is used in this documentary(forward at 2:11): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff6n3_c0KBYSo maybe thats her.Btw very cool photos and thanks
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Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: Snakes]
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06/28/14 09:52 PM
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Snake's outstanding 'legwork' reveals the following...Messino's residence is listed as 2037 North 77th Avenue, Elmwood Park, IL. It's still there, check it out on Google Maps. Nice neighborhood...Messino is known to specialize in "extortionate credit transactions" and is recognized as belonging to Jack Cerone's street crew. His known associates include Joe Gagliano, George Bravos, and Chris Cardi, his nephew (although the files leave that out)...Messino was Cerone's driver for nearly ten years... Cerone's house was also on 77th Avenue, across the street and a half-block south of Messino. (If you do street view, you'll know which house it is...) I often wondered if Messino walked down the block for 'work' and drove Jack's car, or if he got in his car and drove around the block to get to Jack's house because 77th Avenue is a one-way street northbound. Cardi's house was one street over on 77th Court. Then JoeEBrown reminisces...In 1978 I took my new girlfriend to the Feast in Melrose. That would be the Feast of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in Melrose Park and I can tell you with 100% certainty that I was also there on Sunday in 1978. That was the summer after my freshman year of college, and my sisters and I would have taken my mom and her sister, because they had made a promise to their mother to attend 'The Feast' every year to see the procession. Mom pinned a dollar on the statue. I paid for a candle in church. Probably had a stuffed pepper, beef sangwich and an Italian ice... Great pictures! Thanks for sharing. tony b.
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: Snakes]
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07/28/14 06:19 AM
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Does anyone happen to have FBI numbers for the following individuals? Having the number handy makes it much easier to request files:
Joe Amabile Joe Amato Sam Alex (Gus's brother) Jimmy Catuara Louie Eboli Frank Ferraro Hy Larner Lee Magnafichi Pat Manno/Manning Pat Marcy Romie Nappi (possibly destroyed) Dominic Palermo Dominic Senese Al Tornabene Frank Zizzo Man if you do get additional background on these guys, I'd love to see it! Especially on Al Tournabene, Frank "Strongy" Ferraro and Frank "Cease" Zizzo.
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: Snakes]
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07/30/14 06:51 AM
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Magnafichi and Skids Caruso are on the way. I also have Paul Ricca's coming, although I doubt there is much there that we don't already know.
I also have a subscription to the Chicago Tribune's online services, which means I have access to old articles from the archives. Found one covering a gambling bust in Cicero from 1947 that has Tornabene as one of those arrested.
John DiFronzo is also all over the place in the fifties for burglary busts. One in particular stands out in 1949 when John was 20 and he and his partner were caught in the act. His partner was shot and killed and John was apprehended. I'd love to see any background on Skids. Glad you are doing this! Also interesting about Tournabene and DiFronzo.
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: Snakes]
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07/30/14 07:33 AM
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Here is another interesting find from the Tribune archives; according to informants, graft and bribes were supervised in each police district by an Outfit member or associate. The districts and their "supervisors" are as follows: Ross Prio: Overall North Side supervisor Ralph Pierce: Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Grand Crossing, other far South Side districts Frank Ferraro (acting for Gus Alex): Loop Louis Briatta/Sam Cesario: Maxwell Jimmy Catuara: Deering Chuckie English: Brighton Park/Fillmore (partial) Jack Patrick: Fillmore (partial) Fiore Buccieri: Marquette Jack Humphries (Murray's brother): Lawndale, New City Chuck Nicoletti: Warren Ave. (Gambling) Julius Grieco: Warren Ave. (Vice/Night Clubs) Jack Cerone: Austin Sam Mesi/Michael Magliocco: Racine Ave. Marshall Caifano: Summerdale/Town Hall/Sheffield Joe DiVarco/Jimmy Allegretti/Tony DeMonte: Chicago Ave. (Rush Street) Lenny Patrick: Rogers Park William Aloisio: Shakespeare Ave. Skids Caruso: Prairie Ave. Here is a link to the modern-day listing of districts. Clink on a district to see a map and description of the area in question: https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/Communities/Districts
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: Snakes]
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07/30/14 12:56 PM
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In some more "before they were famous" articles:
Sam Carlisi was busted for running a gambling den from his house on Polk St. Apparently, Sam's older brother, Alphonse, was a bigger wheel in Cicero than Sam was, at least through the sixties.
Someone who I believe to be Joey Lombardo (address listed as Hirsch St., ring a bell?) was arrested in 1953 for hijacking a fur track with coats valued at a total of nearly 90,000 dollars. Snakes that is great insight - for one, I only knew of Carlisi's older brother in Buffalo "Rossario" Carlisi, who was a major East Coast LCN member. No idea he had multiple brothers. I don't think Joey lived anywhere else than Ohio Street after getting married in 51'. Perhaps the guy you are looking at is his older brother Andrew "Nucci" Lombardo instead? Nucci was one of the best burglars in Chicago - ran with the Panzco's but never really affiliated himself with the Outfit leadership.
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: JoeEBrown]
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09/20/14 04:31 AM
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I googled FOIA and this page popped up. I was stunned because I've been trying to get info on Ansani for many years now. You see, he was my grandfather but I know very little about him.I know he was good friends with Joe Batters from the time they were kids.They remained close friends for life. Born in 1904 he started bangin' at a very young age, robbing freight trains and doing street crimes. Don't know when he joined the Circus Gang but he was close to Tough Tony Capezio and John Moore for life. Not sure exactly when he partnered up with Aiuppa but he stood up in Joey's wedding in the late twenties or early thirty's. After that all I know is,he,John Moore and Joey were all together until they died. Joey was godfather to my father and oldest brother and John Moore's son, Terry, was my godfather. They ran Cicero in the 50's and 60's with Joe Corngold as their mentor. They owned Taylor manufacturing, the Town Hotel, and the Turf Club among other businesses. I doubt I would be telling this if my father was still alive but he passed one week before the old man, which is what they called Joey at the end of his life. Don't want to take up too much space but a couple of funny stories: As I said he used to rob freight trains and there was one security guard that they beat up several times until the guard told them to just take the stuff and stop hitting him. That guy ended up marrying my grandmother's sister and became Uncle Red. A week after my dad died my mother received a phone call from Joey's long time driver. I listened on the extension. He said "I just wanted to let you know,da old man died yesterday." my mother said "I'm so sorry! Will you let us know about the arrangements?" He replied "Oh dere aint gonna be no arrangements, no nuttin'. He said to just dig a hole and trow him in it." I laughed out loud. A more poignant story: In 1978 I took my new girlfriend to the Feast in Melrose. As we headed toward the carnival I stopped in to see Uncle Joey. We walked in the alley to the garage behind Joey's mother's house. I looked in the garage and saw Joey sitting there so I strolled in. Two Huge guys started moving toward me until he waved them off. As I hugged him he said with tears in his eyes "I miss Bobby". One of the most feared men in Chicago Outfit was crying! And he was mean. Around 1939 he and my grandfather got pulled over in Fox Lake while my grandfather was driving. He told my grandfather to get the cop to lean in the window so he could shoot him. Gramps said under his breath to shush, forget about it. Joey more vehemently, Get him to lean in the window so he could kill him. That's when my grandfather reminded Joey that my dad, who was six years old at the time, was in the back seat. they took the ticket but Joey was pissed that he couldn't kill a cop for trying to give them a speeding ticket. I don't know how true the last story is but Joey could be a mean son of a bitch, and all those old timers hated cops. One thing I would like to clarify. My grandfather was anything but cheap. It's extremely unlikely that he would have opted for medical care from a prison doctor over his specialist at Rush St. Luke's. The actual reason he started his sentence immediately was to be able to attend my father's graduation from college the following year. And by the way, that whole deal was bullshit, but those guys got away with many, much more serious crimes so boo hoo.I attached a couple of photos. thanks for all the pics and storys! Does someone here collect all rare pics? would be nice to download them in one take
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Re: Chicago Outfit FBI files - Declassified
[Re: Snakes]
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09/20/14 12:00 PM
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As far as redaction is concerned, any identifying information (SS#, driver's license numbers, etc.) need to be redacted by law. Information concerning informants will probably always be redacted as well. Also, just because someone has not been identified in a court of law as being associated with a criminal outfit, it does not mean that their name will be redacted from files. I have seen lists of family memberships that have not been redacted - being a part of a crime family or even associating with known members isn't technically against the law (unless there are parole restrictions against that individual). Blood family members will, however, almost always be redacted. There should be a time limit that allows the release of the names of informants, let's say five years after their death. Some informants like Valachi, Scarpa and Gentile and now public, but Frank Bompensiero is still redacted. There are many other informants who have been dead for decades and there's no need to keep the info secret after all this time. Then there are redactions for procedural reasons. There needs to be a time limit on that too. For example some of the 1930s public enemy files are redacted. That's over 80 years ago, and they're still going to make that claim?!? It's secrecy overkill.
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