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Re: Was it dumb to get recorded ?
[Re: Owney_Madden]
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Lou_Para
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In Gotti's case,once again, his ego overrode his judgement.As far as the Bergen or the Ravenite were concerned,he knew that the Feds probably had devices in place,so he went for "walk-talks" to discuss serious mob business. After a while,Gotti didn't feel like going outside in the snow and rain,so he came up with the idea of using the upstairs apartment belonging to the widow of one of his soldiers (Mickey Cerilli,I believe).
Gotti wrongly believed that since the old lady wasn't a criminal associate of the Gambinos,the cops could never cite probable cause to bug the place. Also,the woman hardly ever went out ,so Gotti also figured that there would be no opportunity for a bug to be placed.
He honestly believed that he was smarter than the Feds,and as a result,the tapes recorded in that apartment came back to haunt him.
What surprises me is that Big Paulie let himself be recorded in his house. I can't speak for some of the other old school guys who got caught on tape,but this was a guy who was groomed by Carlo Gambino,who basically wrote the book on avoiding wiretaps or bugs.
Why Big Paulie couldn't just step outside and talk to his guys is beyond me.
As long as you have Mob guys who are too lazy,egotistical,or stupid to take basic precautions,you will continue to see cases made by bugs.
Last edited by Lou_Para; 04/10/14 07:16 AM.
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Re: Was it dumb to get recorded ?
[Re: Owney_Madden]
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cornuto_e_contento
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That is what I'm getting at cornuto, With so many cases having been made are the people involved so savvy that they don't get caught any more. Plus if people into that sort of thing use the internet, cellphones, email/text, etc. they can hypothetically get charges of using a network for criminal activity on top of other charges.
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Re: Was it dumb to get recorded ?
[Re: cornuto_e_contento]
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MikeyO
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That is what I'm getting at cornuto, With so many cases having been made are the people involved so savvy that they don't get caught any more. Plus if people into that sort of thing use the internet, cellphones, email/text, etc. they can hypothetically get charges of using a network for criminal activity on top of other charges. Yeah it's called " Illegal/Criminal Use of Communication Facility " in some places
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Re: Was it dumb to get recorded ?
[Re: Owney_Madden]
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mickey2
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micky 2 the comment about using Facebook was not intended as a serious suggestion that modern gangsters use it to organize their criminal activities. It was a flippant attempt at being light hearted. But thanks for pointing out that it would be dumb if they were to do that I wouldn't have been able to work that out for myself. haha funny. what do i know whats your knowledge and all? you would be surprised how much "stupid" questions i read all the time. but good for you to know that.
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Re: Was it dumb to get recorded ?
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cornuto_e_contento
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That is what I'm getting at cornuto, With so many cases having been made are the people involved so savvy that they don't get caught any more. Plus if people into that sort of thing use the internet, cellphones, email/text, etc. they can hypothetically get charges of using a network for criminal activity on top of other charges. Yeah it's called " Illegal/Criminal Use of Communication Facility " in some places Yes in college I read about students or people who lived in the area who got caught selling drugs get charged with that since they had used a cellphone either call or texting/email, university computers/university email, or sites like myspace/facebook to communicate with people they thought were legit but were really undercover narcos.
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