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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768831
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Aldo Piscitelli Jr. is active I think with Cicero or Southside. He is roughly in his 40s.

The Carusos wield (or wielded) enormous amounts of power. For Frank Jr. to have served over 3 years in IL state prison (run by the Folks and People Gangs) and come out without any issues, just shows something was agreed upon between the Outfit and the gangs.

Didn't Frank Calabrese Sr. have a huge beef with Shorty LaMantia in Milan, Michigan because Shorty wasn't technically made, but acted like he was made around the NY guys?

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: Mmalioni] #768833
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[quote=Mmalioni]The Carusos wield (or wielded) enormous amounts of power. For Frank Jr. to have served over 3 years in IL state prison (run by the Folks and People Gangs) and come out without any issues, just shows something was agreed upon between the Outfit and the gangs.quote]

Not really. Didn't someone beat the crap out of John Gotti in prison, with no retaliation?

I one time met a kid who served five years in a max facility. He said it wasn't really that bad, just boring.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: Mmalioni] #768837
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Originally Posted By: Mmalioni
Aldo Piscitelli Jr. is active I think with Cicero or Southside. He is roughly in his 40s.

The Carusos wield (or wielded) enormous amounts of power. For Frank Jr. to have served over 3 years in IL state prison (run by the Folks and People Gangs) and come out without any issues, just shows something was agreed upon between the Outfit and the gangs.

Didn't Frank Calabrese Sr. have a huge beef with Shorty LaMantia in Milan, Michigan because Shorty wasn't technically made, but acted like he was made around the NY guys?

He was on tape telling little Calabrese that he bitched LaMantia out for identifying himself as made...I've seen lots of speculation that he wasn't really bitching at him for saying he was made when he wasn't, but for even talking about it with anyone. I saw a lot of people saying LaMantia was 100 percent made.

Dunno what to think though. Based on what was said it sure seemed like Calabrese was dressing him down for saying something he wasnt.

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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768838
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yeah I remember that you said something like you're not even made.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/mob/2007/07/the_humiliation_of_shorty.html

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768841
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What I wanna know is what NYC guys they were talking about.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: jonnynonos] #768843
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
[quote=Mmalioni]The Carusos wield (or wielded) enormous amounts of power. For Frank Jr. to have served over 3 years in IL state prison (run by the Folks and People Gangs) and come out without any issues, just shows something was agreed upon between the Outfit and the gangs.quote]

Not really. Didn't someone beat the crap out of John Gotti in prison, with no retaliation?

I one time met a kid who served five years in a max facility. He said it wasn't really that bad, just boring.







john gotti got beat up for talking shit

caruso's kid was ordered by his father not to start anything

they paid somebody to watch him

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768852
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I thought the deal with Shorty was that he said that Frank was made, a fact which Frank did not want paraded around the prison.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: cookcounty] #768860
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
[quote=Mmalioni]The Carusos wield (or wielded) enormous amounts of power. For Frank Jr. to have served over 3 years in IL state prison (run by the Folks and People Gangs) and come out without any issues, just shows something was agreed upon between the Outfit and the gangs.quote]

Not really. Didn't someone beat the crap out of John Gotti in prison, with no retaliation?

I one time met a kid who served five years in a max facility. He said it wasn't really that bad, just boring.







john gotti got beat up for talking shit

caruso's kid was ordered by his father not to start anything

they paid somebody to watch him


They even had that gangster disciple enforcer turned political activist wallace "gator" bradley involved with them, and he was getting accused of being paid off to support them. He was heavily involved with larry hoovers growth and development programme and had served time in prison, so it could be plausible that they came to some sort of financial arrangement to keep certain people safe in prison.

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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: Mmalioni] #768867
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Originally Posted By: Mmalioni
Aldo Piscitelli Jr. is active I think with Cicero or Southside. He is roughly in his 40s.

The Carusos wield (or wielded) enormous amounts of power. For Frank Jr. to have served over 3 years in IL state prison (run by the Folks and People Gangs) and come out without any issues, just shows something was agreed upon between the Outfit and the gangs.

Didn't Frank Calabrese Sr. have a huge beef with Shorty LaMantia in Milan, Michigan because Shorty wasn't technically made, but acted like he was made around the NY guys?


"Aldo P" was in his early 40s when he went to prison in the early 90s lol. He passed away in November and was probably 70...the broader LaMantia/Szaflarski family has been dealing with a lot lately.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: funkster] #768868
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Originally Posted By: funkster
What I wanna know is what NYC guys they were talking about.


It wasn't NYC guys. It was "East Coast" guys and if you listen to the tapes Calabrese is going on and on about "Raymond." He is talking about Raymond Patriarca Jr. He, Calabrese, Shorty, Frank Jr. and others served time together. Most of the guys were from Boston, Conneticut and the Bronx according to Frankie Jr.


Also Shorty was a relatively major player on the Southside...don't let Calabrese' lies and boasts to his son distort who the guy was. Shorty was a gangster tried and true, as were his sons Rocco and Aldo. Shorty worked for Skids Caruso and was very connected in Outfit circles...he was not a stooge or hated by LaPietra whatsoever. Calabrese said a lot of bullshit to his son to make himself look better.

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You are right about Aldo P. I stand corrected.

Anything current on Rocco LaMantia?

Also, Aldo P.'s sister is married to Szaflarski.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: ChiTown] #768874
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
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What I wanna know is what NYC guys they were talking about.


It wasn't NYC guys. It was "East Coast" guys and if you listen to the tapes Calabrese is going on and on about "Raymond." He is talking about Raymond Patriarca Jr. He, Calabrese, Shorty, Frank Jr. and others served time together. Most of the guys were from Boston, Conneticut and the Bronx according to Frankie Jr.


Also Shorty was a relatively major player on the Southside...don't let Calabrese' lies and boasts to his son distort who the guy was. Shorty was a gangster tried and true, as were his sons Rocco and Aldo. Shorty worked for Skids Caruso and was very connected in Outfit circles...he was not a stooge or hated by LaPietra whatsoever. Calabrese said a lot of bullshit to his son to make himself look better.

That's exactly what i was saying in my first response...that most thought it was Calabrese just being full of shit. I have never seen the transcripts other than that Suntimes article. Where can it be found you know? And you're right he does say East Coast...i've never seen who they were referring to. As Mmaloni asked, are his kids still active?

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Originally Posted By: Mmalioni
You are right about Aldo P. I stand corrected.

Anything current on Rocco LaMantia?

Also, Aldo P.'s sister is married to Szaflarski.


"Neicy" LaMantia married Casey Szaflarski and was caught up in the hired truck program. Rocco is still locked up after he assaulted that pawnshop on Roosevelt Road. Before he went away, I had heard he was trying to write a book on Chinatown and his father and Grand Father...perhaps he smartened up. The guy is a serious hot head.

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I remember reading on ANP that one of the East Coast guys was Sonny Franzese.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #769018
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I would also take out Angelo LaPietra as Underboss from 1995 to 1999 and put Monteleone as #2. This was in Frank, Sr.'s transcripts. LaPietra was out of prison but in declining health and was basically retired until he died.

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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: ChiTown] #769020
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: Mmalioni
You are right about Aldo P. I stand corrected.

Anything current on Rocco LaMantia?

Also, Aldo P.'s sister is married to Szaflarski.


"Neicy" LaMantia married Casey Szaflarski and was caught up in the hired truck program. Rocco is still locked up after he assaulted that pawnshop on Roosevelt Road. Before he went away, I had heard he was trying to write a book on Chinatown and his father and Grand Father...perhaps he smartened up. The guy is a serious hot head.

Looks like IDOC has him paroled in 2012.

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Originally Posted By: funkster
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Originally Posted By: Mmalioni
You are right about Aldo P. I stand corrected.

Anything current on Rocco LaMantia?

Also, Aldo P.'s sister is married to Szaflarski.


"Neicy" LaMantia married Casey Szaflarski and was caught up in the hired truck program. Rocco is still locked up after he assaulted that pawnshop on Roosevelt Road. Before he went away, I had heard he was trying to write a book on Chinatown and his father and Grand Father...perhaps he smartened up. The guy is a serious hot head.

Looks like IDOC has him paroled in 2012.


Interesting...I had thought he was sentenced to 6 years or so...I would then consider Rocco an active player on the South Side. He is probably the major power in that specific neighborhood as he is one of the few Southside guys who still live there.

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It said he was sentenced to 6 years...to be released in 2015, but paroled in 2012. He lives in Bridgeport? I'm absolutely amazed he only got six years for being involved in an armed robbery. But sounds like he was just the getaway driver.

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Calling Rocco a major player in Bridgeport is laughable at best. The Carusos wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

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Originally Posted By: Richards_bar
Calling Rocco a major player in Bridgeport is laughable at best. The Carusos wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.


He's basically a cousin of the Caruso's (and is through marriage now) but he's a street guy who still runs around Bridgeport beating up drug dealers and involved in street crime. Major player was probably the wrong term there...more like "active" on the street level shit that the Caruso's wouldn't touch anyway. But I guarantee he is still kicking something up...he had the entire LaMantia/Szaflarski family in on the hired truck scandal company...and the powers that be didn't let just anyone into that exclusive club.

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when doing research for charts never came across any evidence that high ranking members held dual roles.example being monteleone holding position of underboss and 26th street capo. however I always thought that it made more sense seeing as Chicago in no way operates like other mafia families. the same could also be said for joe Lombardo being a senior advisor and capo in grand avenue. sorry for some of these long winded posts but it is good to here other peoples opinions about Chicago I do not get much street info here in Ottawa Canada.

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I think by that point, Caruso was being groomed to take over that South Side crew anyways. Lombardo came back from prison and basically retired and was tight with DiFronzo as the senior advisor in the Outfit, which is typically held by a semi-active guy who still commands a lot of respect. He was no longer active capo of Grand Ave. but Cozzo and that crew was still definitely under Lumby's thumb.

For a lot of this stuff, you just have to use educated guesses.


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Originally Posted By: Snakes
I would also take out Angelo LaPietra as Underboss from 1995 to 1999 and put Monteleone as #2. This was in Frank, Sr.'s transcripts. LaPietra was out of prison but in declining health and was basically retired until he died.


In the indictment it has Monteleone as a boss:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/indict/2005/familySecrets.pdf

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Interesting. I've never heard Johnny Apes referred to as the overall Boss before reading the indictment.

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Side question, did anyone really have Apes prior to the 90s? I never saw his name on any early charts.

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He was on Roemer's '83 chart but he was definitely a player by the mid seventies.

Apes was never top boss - Chicago sometimes refers to the capos of their street crews as bosses which can cause confusion.


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I'm sure I've seen it, but did he have him listed as a soldier?

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