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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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the story i have always heard is that he picked up the 'mob hit man' angle from bobby bisiccia while he was locked up already for the killings. before that he was just a serial killer. Yeah, but the serial murders were just a hobby  . yea.lol. him and cabert probably made a great pair.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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I haven't heard ANY report or interview of him claiming that he killed Castellano. I think Tommy Karate - You don't believe him so you'll add more shi* to make more people not believe in him, haha. Read the book by Phillip carlo he claims that gravano hired him to be in in it.im not adding anything he lies enough thank youif im not mistaken he said he shot bilotti.but no I didn't make anything up im not that stupid
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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in phil carlos book he claimed to have been one of the hit men in castellano murder....guy is a complete liar. demeo, castellano, hoffa, galante all bs....the only true hit i know of is the crooked cop.
im starting to wonder if his claims of feeding live people to rats in the Pennsylvania caves was true
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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He also claimed to be responsible for the DeMeo hit.
And he had laid some charges against Sammy the Bull, that he had contracted kuklinksi to whack someone (forget who). but the fed dropped the charges because Kuklinski was full of shit... And also he died XD
There is no evidence that he ever committed a murder for anyone in the mafia - That was indirectly linked to DeMeo is fact, but that's where the facts end and the mythology starts. Kuklinski was working bootlegging porno movies for DeMeo, but still, no evidence DeMeo ever asked him to whack somebody. besides, if the LCN were to outsource a murder, would they not outsource it o another LCN family?
Most of the people he killed were associates of his own in small time, petty thuggery. I don't know why Kuklinski wanted to make himself out to be some prolific hitman when the evidence suggests he had MAYBE killed 3-4 people tops. All of them his business associates.
Kuklinski has made all kinds of ridiculous claims, most of which don't correlate to any media reports of the time. Such as the HBO doc where he claims to have randomly shot someone in the head with a crossbow on the street... Makes for an interesting story, but there is not one piece of documentation that proves that it actually happened.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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OK leaving aside the fact that he bullshits about some things.. well a lot of things, is the story about De Meo pistol whipping him true?
Have to say that the parts about De Meo in Carlo's book did not ring true.
"De Meo looked at Kuklinski with his cold, brown eyes. The eyes of someone with no soul. Unfeeling, merciless eyes. He congratulated Kuklinski on another job well done; another score settled; another victim tallied. "Well done Richie!" "Well done!" "You are stone cold, Richie!" "Stone cold!" Roy made Richie pasta with his special tomato sauce and then Kuklinski drove home. He felt happy after a job well done. Contented. Satisfied even. But he felt an anger slowly burning deep inside. It was manifesting deep inside. Burrowing into his soul even. He made the characteristic clicking sound in the side of his mouth and as Barbara greeted him at the door, hoping Richard was in one of his good moods - the good Richard - he punched her, breaking her nose. Barbara was in pain. Suffering. Agony. Discomfort. Torment even. Kuklinski went to bed and began plotting his next killing. His next score to settle. His next victim. His next cold blooded murder."
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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Hey Moe. Everything Kuklinski said about Demeo is BS. According to Jerry Capeci, the only time Kuklinski ever went to the Gemini Lounge was to buy a gun once. Even then he did not buy it directly through Demeo himself.
Kuklinski did not inject himself into the Demeo crew until after Murder Machine was written. He never mentioned Roy before that book came out. Most likely he read the book and added himself into the story. Since Roy is dead there is no one who can confirm anything he says. I do not think you could really even call Kuklinski a mafia associate. He was an independent scam artist who killed a few people. He knew some wiseguys but he was not in anyone's crew. This is my opinion based on what I have read and heard.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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Is it even true about Roy DeMeo supposedly cracking kuklinski in the head over money owed to him. He left a scar on his his.
Kuklinski pointed to his scar and said that was from Roy. He also said that he was the only person he was afraid of.
Just wondering if that was real stuff that happened or him spicing up the story.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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Hey guys, not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found a good article from someone's blog: http://swallowingthecamel.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/the-iceman-lieth/Obviously this is just some guys blog and should not be taken as gospel... However, in my (uneducated ;]) estimation he hits the nail on the head in every paragraph. Worth the read.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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Kuklinski's over-the-top claims remind me of Henry Lee Lucas. He turned himself into police, claiming he'd been on a murderous rampage across America, killing several hundred people "in 24 states".
He claimed to be responsible for so many crimes, the police became suspicious. The cops began making up crimes and asking Henry Lee Lucas if he was responsible for them. He admitted to whatever bogus crap they threw at him.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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He also claimed to be responsible for the DeMeo hit.
And he had laid some charges against Sammy the Bull, that he had contracted kuklinksi to whack someone (forget who). but the fed dropped the charges because Kuklinski was full of shit... And also he died XD I only know this because my attorney is partners with Bull's attorney, at the time, (Anthony Ricco) in this case. The feds were going to try and pin the 1980 murder of a cop, Peter Calabro, on Gravano. Gravano's attorney at the time was Anthony Ricco (sounds Italian but he's actually African American). At some point, during a supervised meeting Kuklinski write on a pad "I'll throw the case for 200k" ripped the page from the pad, showed it to Ricco then ate the paper. Mr. Ricco got ahold of the pad and had a lab lift the impression left by Kuklinski's pen. Sure enough, there was the offer as evidence. However, less than a month later, Kuklinski assumed room temperature and the feds dropped Gravano from Calabro case.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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Kuklinski's over-the-top claims remind me of Henry Lee Lucas. He turned himself into police, claiming he'd been on a murderous rampage across America, killing several hundred people "in 24 states".
He claimed to be responsible for so many crimes, the police became suspicious. The cops began making up crimes and asking Henry Lee Lucas if he was responsible for them. He admitted to whatever bogus crap they threw at him. Lucas and Otis Toole also claimed to be Satanists, be trained by Satanic cults to do mass killings, and other BS.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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lucas and toole were in fact apart of a satanic cult in mexico called the Hand of Death. this cult still exists, today they are known as The Hand with Eyes. it's not over the top and its not BS. the reality is there are 1,000's of daily murders carried out in the most grisly fashion by this cult for the purpose of organ trafficking, and done in the name of Satan. That has to do with the cartels, and they would not want HLL or OT to join as they're not Mexican, drug dealers, or Hispanic at all and probably did not have the intelligence to learn how to read, write, or speak Spanish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muertehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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I read Bruno's book on the Iceman and it was OK if you enjoy reading about forensics but Bruno claims that RK did not absue his kids at all but that's not true as he did at least psychologically abuse all of them, and since he beat the $h!t out of his wife (who he would have killed had she tried to leave/divorce him, or get the police or authorities involved about his abuse) it would not be surprising if he physically abused his children too. I'm not even sure if RK really used cyanide or not as Bruno claims such as how Bruno and RK claimed RK used it on one guy who I forget the name of, in a very crowded dance club in spray form by pretending to sneeze on the guy and despite it being an indoor dance club or disco, or bar with a dance area only that guy died when in reality a lot more people would have been exposed to it had it hypothetically happened. I don't believe RK's claims of putting people in a cave in PA or NJ alive and waiting for rats to eat them as he claimed to Phil Carlo. This book review of Carlo's book explains it in more detail. http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-revi...#R2RNA3I3RW719UThis review is from: The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer (Hardcover)
I've studied NYC, NJ & Philly OC for over 20 years now. I've read 100's of books on this subject including the one by Anthony Bruno about Kuklinski about 10 years ago. Some by cops, some by feds, some by rats, some by reporters. Nowhere have I ever read, even hinted at, the more outragous claims made by Richard (Iceman) Kuklinski. A couple of the more unbelievable.
Paul (Big Paul) Castellano Shooting. HE WAS NOT THERE. This was planned and executed by "The Fist" a faction of Gambino's dissatisfied for a number of reasons with his leadership. The Fist was made up of John Gotti, Angelo Ruggerio, Frankie DeCicco, Robert (DeBee) Debenardo, and Sammy Bull Gravano. Others in the family (Gene Gotti, Joe Gallo, et al) knew of the plot, but it emulated and was executed primarily by the Bergin crew headed by Gotti. Below are the shooters. NONE was paid cash to participate. The payment was power within the Gambino's hierarchy after Big Paul was dead. There is NO WAY Gravano would have asked or Gotti would have approved of an unknown shooter being brought into the plot as a freelance mercenary.
John Carneglia Primary shooter, target Castellano, in front of Sparks,
Vincent Artuso Primary shooter, target Castellano, in front of Sparks,
Eddie Lino Primary shooter, target Billotti, in front of Sparks,
Salvatore (Fat Sally) Scala, Primary shooter, target Billotti, in front of Sparks,
Dominick (Skinny Dom) Pizzonia, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,
Anthony (Tony Roach) Rampino, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,
Angelo (Quack Quack) Ruggerio, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,
Joe (The German)Watts, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,
John Gotti In Car at 3rd Ave & E. 46th St. opposite Sparks,
Salvatore (Sammy Bull) Gravano In Car at 3rd Ave & E. 46th St. opposite Sparks,
FrankDeCicco Inside Sparks
The association with and killing of Roy DeMeo. It is possible that Kuklinski knew DeMeo. Although no cooperating witnesses ever mentioned him. It is even possible that DeMeo kept "The Pollock" around as a secert weapon - that I'd believe. But there is NO WAY, NONE, ZERO that DeMeo would have introduced him to his supervisor in the Gambino family, Anthony Gaggi. And Gaggi wouldn't introduce himself. BTW Gaggi's dog was not a German shepard but a pure breed male boxer. Lastly, Roy was killed by fellow crew associates Joseph Testa and Anthony Senter as well as Nino after orders came from Paul to "take care of him Nino". Also, Frankie DeCicco was instructed to assist Nino if he needed shooters or back-up. Again, no one was paid. Senter and Testa were promoted to made status. Dracula was killed around the same time.
The killing of Jimmy Hoffa. C'mon not even the author could possibly believe this. It has been verified beyond dispute that Tony Pro was in NJ at the time of the killing. I'm not going to waste time reputing this BS any more.
Carmine (Lilo, Cigar) Galante Shooting. There was a lone dinner in Joe & Mary's that hot July afternoon according to Giuseppe Turano's son. However, he hit the deck when Louis Giongetti, Dominick Trinchera and Sonny Black walked in armed to teeth. Turncoat Galante bodyguard Cesare Bonventre pulled his pistol and shot loyal Galante bodyguard Leonard Coppola six times before he hit the floor. Clueless and 3rd bodyguard Baldassare (Baldo) Amato pulled his gun and dove behind a table. Sonny shotgunned Galante while Big Trin chased down Turano's son and shot him in back while he searched for a gun stored in the employee's bathroom. Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato waited in the street by the car with a M1 carbine. Louis Giongetti walked over to Coppola and shot the top of his skull of for good measure. Cesare quickly informed his cousin Baldo not to shoot and leave with him, which he did. This killing was ordered by boss Phillip Rastelli in conjuction with the Gambino's over control of the heroin market and revenge for Gambino killings. Ironically, it was the Zips headed by Salvatore Catalano & Joe Ganci who eventually took over Galante's babina business. Massino took control of the family. This account has been verified by several different sources.
Cave with Rats. Logistics would be unlikely or impossible. Try to find a remote cave 75 miles from home at night whilst guarding a live hostage. Try setting up automatic camera's w/ lights to capture the rats eating the victim. I will admit it's a sick mind to envision such things, but I doubt he actually did it. Camera, light and motion technology plus logistics of transport makes it an unlikely tale to scare women and small children.
Flare to balls. I read almost same account about Legs Diamond and a farmer in a book called Mob Stories about seven years ago. A little less graphic but, punch line was same. Probably Rich read this too. Obviously author didn't read it or don't know how to vet a source.
All in all a good book and worth the money for true crime buffs. I'm glad I bought it, but the killings Kuklinski actually did would have been enough. The other mob stuff is his own fantasy.
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Re: Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors
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lucas and toole were in fact apart of a satanic cult in mexico called the Hand of Death. this cult still exists, today they are known as The Hand with Eyes. it's not over the top and its not BS. the reality is there are 1,000's of daily murders carried out in the most grisly fashion by this cult for the purpose of organ trafficking, and done in the name of Satan. Mano con Ojos is a drug cartel,not a Satanic cult.If you are going to make extraordinary claims,then I think the least that can be expected is some supporting documentation or an info source to support the following allegations. 1) Henry Lucas and Ottis Toole were "in fact" members of a Satanic cult in Mexico. 2)Thousands of murders committed EVERY day.We're talking a MINIMUM of 750,000 murders every year. 3)These murders are done to facilitate organ trafficking. 4)These murders are done "in the name of Satan".
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