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why would associates flipping count against actual mafia members flipping?
They
don't. Somebody is only made if they are made.
But if certain Chicago posters are going to argue that the Outfit has more than 28 members, because some associates basically have made status there, wouldn't that also mean some associates who flipped could be considered as made? See what I mean? Chicago posters want it one way but not the other. They talk out of both sides of their mouth depending on whether they want to inflate the Outfit's membership or minimize the number of it's defectors.
chicago posters don't have a goddamn thing to do with mobsters flipping
chicago posters don't got a goddamn thing to do with bosses flipping in ny
chicago posters ain't got a goddamn thing to do with associates ratting in chicago