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question on NY Five Families #765977
02/28/14 08:07 AM
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foochowyum Offline OP
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i'm really curious, why these days i've never heard a homicide story involving mafia again? back in the 70s and 80s there were lots of homicide case involving NY mafia. my friend said the 5 Families had achieved mutual understanding, a peace between them. is that true? do you guys have another explanation on this?

sorry my english isn't good. not a native speaker.

Last edited by foochowyum; 02/28/14 08:08 AM.
Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: foochowyum] #766031
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There have been plenty of murders within Mafia families, year after year, usually over control of that family. I assume you mean that there have been no wars between Mafia families in NYC. That is generally true. Mafia families long ago realized that wars between families are deadly and wasteful. People get killed, business comes to a halt, and treachery and betrayal become the norms. So, when there is a dispute (or "beef") between families, a "sit down" is arranged and a solution is negotiated.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
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Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: foochowyum] #766103
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Courtesy of ivyleague a pretty complete list of mob hits from 2000-2013


Hits and misses, mob-related or otherwise...


2000 - Lucchese associates Anthony and Charles DiGirolamo killed.
2000 - Rochester associate Anthony Vaccaro killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate John Beebee wounded.
2000 - New England associate Paul Maiorano killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrotta wounded.
2001 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Chiaramonti killed.
2001 - Detroit associate John Jarjosa Jr. killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Adam Finelli killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrota wounded.
2001 - Bonanno associate Frank Santoro killed.
2001 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2001 - New England associate Leonard Rosenberg killed.
2001 - New England associate Peter DeVito killed.
2001 - Gambino associate Konstantinos Boulis killed.
2002 - Philadelphia soldier Raymond Martorano killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Martin Bosshart killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Darren D'Amico wounded.
2002 - Buffalo captain Frank BiFulco wounded (robbery).
2002 - Genovese associate Dino Bogino wounded.
2002 - New England associate Mark Eldridge killed.
2002 - Detroit associate Gerard Bianchette killed.
2003 - Philadelphia associate John Casasanto killed.
2003 - Genovese captain Adolfo Bruno killed.
2003 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2003 - Lucchese soldier Albert Cirelli killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Joseph Mazzotta killed.
2003 - Genovese associate Vincent DeVito wounded.
2003 - Gambino associate John Gurino killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Charles Moretto killed (robbery).
2003 - Genovese associate Gary Westerman killed.
2004 - Bonanno associate Rudolph Pizzolo" killed.
2004 - Gambino associate Preston Geritano killed. (personal beef).
2004 - Genovese associate Nicholas Cirillo missing.
2004 - New England associate Patrick Squillante killed.
2005 - Genovese acting captain Lawrence "Larry" Ricci killed.
2005 - Gambino extortion victim Joseph Generoso wounded.
2005 - Bonanno associate Robert McKelvey killed.
2006 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Zizzo disappeared.
2006 - Gambino captain Carmine "Top Tomato" Sciandra wounded (personal beef).
2007 - Genovese soldier Rudolph Izzi killed.
2007 - Gambino associate Robert DeCicco wounded.
2007 - Lucchese soldier Frank Lagano killed.
2007 - Vincenzo Orilia stabbed by Genovese associate Joseph Bonelli (personal beef).
2008 - Genovese associate William Marcucci killed (killed by son, not really mob related).
2008 - Genovese robbery victim Louis Antonelli killed.
2008 - Bonanno associate Frank Fresca killed.
2009 - Bonanno soldier Anthony Seccifico killed.
2009 - Genovese/Bonanno associate Vincent Zarcone wounded.
2010 - Philadelphia associate Ronald Maniscalco killed.
2011 - Lucchese associate Peter Argentina wounded (personal beef).
2011 - Bonanno member Salvatore Montagna killed.
2011 - Mark Iacano stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano.
2012 - Mario Imbesi (testified against Genovese Frank Roche) killed.
2012 - Philadelphia associate Gino DiPietro killed.
2013 - Nunzio Fusco stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano. (personal beef)


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Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: Dellacroce] #766113
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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Courtesy of ivyleague a pretty complete list of mob hits from 2000-2013


Hits and misses, mob-related or otherwise...


2000 - Lucchese associates Anthony and Charles DiGirolamo killed.
2000 - Rochester associate Anthony Vaccaro killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate John Beebee wounded.
2000 - New England associate Paul Maiorano killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrotta wounded.
2001 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Chiaramonti killed.
2001 - Detroit associate John Jarjosa Jr. killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Adam Finelli killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrota wounded.
2001 - Bonanno associate Frank Santoro killed.
2001 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2001 - New England associate Leonard Rosenberg killed.
2001 - New England associate Peter DeVito killed.
2001 - Gambino associate Konstantinos Boulis killed.
2002 - Philadelphia soldier Raymond Martorano killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Martin Bosshart killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Darren D'Amico wounded.
2002 - Buffalo captain Frank BiFulco wounded (robbery).
2002 - Genovese associate Dino Bogino wounded.
2002 - New England associate Mark Eldridge killed.
2002 - Detroit associate Gerard Bianchette killed.
2003 - Philadelphia associate John Casasanto killed.
2003 - Genovese captain Adolfo Bruno killed.
2003 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2003 - Lucchese soldier Albert Cirelli killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Joseph Mazzotta killed.
2003 - Genovese associate Vincent DeVito wounded.
2003 - Gambino associate John Gurino killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Charles Moretto killed (robbery).
2003 - Genovese associate Gary Westerman killed.
2004 - Bonanno associate Rudolph Pizzolo" killed.
2004 - Gambino associate Preston Geritano killed. (personal beef).
2004 - Genovese associate Nicholas Cirillo missing.
2004 - New England associate Patrick Squillante killed.
2005 - Genovese acting captain Lawrence "Larry" Ricci killed.
2005 - Gambino extortion victim Joseph Generoso wounded.
2005 - Bonanno associate Robert McKelvey killed.
2006 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Zizzo disappeared.
2006 - Gambino captain Carmine "Top Tomato" Sciandra wounded (personal beef).
2007 - Genovese soldier Rudolph Izzi killed.
2007 - Gambino associate Robert DeCicco wounded.
2007 - Lucchese soldier Frank Lagano killed.
2007 - Vincenzo Orilia stabbed by Genovese associate Joseph Bonelli (personal beef).
2008 - Genovese associate William Marcucci killed (killed by son, not really mob related).
2008 - Genovese robbery victim Louis Antonelli killed.
2008 - Bonanno associate Frank Fresca killed.
2009 - Bonanno soldier Anthony Seccifico killed.
2009 - Genovese/Bonanno associate Vincent Zarcone wounded.
2010 - Philadelphia associate Ronald Maniscalco killed.
2011 - Lucchese associate Peter Argentina wounded (personal beef).
2011 - Bonanno member Salvatore Montagna killed.
2011 - Mark Iacano stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano.
2012 - Mario Imbesi (testified against Genovese Frank Roche) killed.
2012 - Philadelphia associate Gino DiPietro killed.
2013 - Nunzio Fusco stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano. (personal beef)


That is a good list. Add one more Genovese hit in 2009:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/nyregion/25slay.html?_r=0

Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: Flushing] #766117
03/01/14 03:40 AM
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You are also missing Michael Meldish who was a pretty big player, mainly thru his brother that was locked up for life. These guys were terrors and big time killers (harlem purple gang) and Michael was killed in his car in a nicer area of the bronx on Nov 18 2013. If his brother was out they would of had to kill him too, he was kicking up to the Geneovese

Also these lists are of the bodies found, many more arent and it appears the Genovesse are still a very violent crew, especially to associates and they kill their own members too, lkely due to the breaking of mob rules, either cheating or talking or not following orders etc. This family alone is still hitting a few guys a year . They are still big timeplayers in the gambling, shy, union, contruction, port (NJ) , garbage (NJ) extortion and legitmate business and high end marajuana. They are just killing it money wise, not many brokers in this crew. Fairly amazing theirs success and IMO they are gradually getting stronger and expanding their territory, usually gambling and shy first and then more, professionals they are.

I still fee the Luchesse strength is and has always been underestimated, and I believe for the most part they have always been a strong 3, a good deal smaller than Genovese and Gambinio but still a strong 3 as their union and NJ crews are extensive and will never go away

Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: foochowyum] #766120
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Wot about Enzo stagno ???

Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: Turnbull] #766134
03/01/14 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
There have been plenty of murders within Mafia families, year after year, usually over control of that family. I assume you mean that there have been no wars between Mafia families in NYC. That is generally true. Mafia families long ago realized that wars between families are deadly and wasteful. People get killed, business comes to a halt, and treachery and betrayal become the norms. So, when there is a dispute (or "beef") between families, a "sit down" is arranged and a solution is negotiated.


thanks for your reply. you said: there have been plenty of murders within Mafia families, year after year, usually over control of that family. but why since 70s/80s there were no boss, underboss or capos get whacked by their own men? i'm talking men like galante, castellano, bonventre, etc. the list that @Dellacroce gave here pointed that many of the victims were mob associates, not the top guy.

any reason why they don't do that anymore?

Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: foochowyum] #766144
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Originally Posted By: foochowyum

thanks for your reply. you said: there have been plenty of murders within Mafia families, year after year, usually over control of that family. but why since 70s/80s there were no boss, underboss or capos get whacked by their own men? i'm talking men like galante, castellano, bonventre, etc. the list that @Dellacroce gave here pointed that many of the victims were mob associates, not the top guy.

any reason why they don't do that anymore?


You're right, there aren't as many mob hits as during the 1970'80's. The main reason is the feds are better at solving murders through forensics and informants. There was a moratorium on hits in the 1990's due to so many high ranking members being sent away for life. There are also fewer wiseguys out there these days. Most of the families peaked in size during the 1970's and early 80's after the books were opened. The huge numbers of wiseguys plus the drugs flooding the streets resulted in a wild west type atmosphere.

Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: Flushing] #766196
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Originally Posted By: Flushing
That is a good list. Add one more Genovese hit in 2009:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/nyregion/25slay.html?_r=0


I'm trying to remember if that was the case where the son ended up being the perpetrator.

Anyway, here's an updated list...


2000 - Lucchese associates Anthony and Charles DiGirolamo killed.
2000 - Rochester associate Anthony Vaccaro killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate John Beebee wounded.
2000 - New England associate Paul Maiorano killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrotta wounded.
2001 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Chiaramonti killed.
2001 - Detroit associate John Jarjosa Jr. killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Adam Finelli killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrota wounded.
2001 - Bonanno associate Frank Santoro killed.
2001 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2001 - New England associate Leonard Rosenberg killed.
2001 - New England associate Peter DeVito killed.
2001 - Gambino associate Konstantinos Boulis killed.
2002 - Philadelphia soldier Raymond Martorano killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Martin Bosshart killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Darren D'Amico wounded.
2002 - Buffalo captain Frank BiFulco wounded (robbery).
2002 - Genovese associate Dino Bogino wounded.
2002 - New England associate Mark Eldridge killed.
2002 - Detroit associate Gerard Bianchette killed.
2003 - Philadelphia associate John Casasanto killed.
2003 - Genovese captain Adolfo Bruno killed.
2003 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2003 - Lucchese soldier Albert Cirelli killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Joseph Mazzotta killed.
2003 - Genovese associate Vincent DeVito wounded.
2003 - Gambino associate John Gurino killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Charles Moretto killed (robbery).
2003 - Genovese associate Gary Westerman killed.
2004 - Bonanno associate Rudolph Pizzolo" killed.
2004 - Gambino associate Preston Geritano killed. (personal beef).
2004 - Genovese associate Nicholas Cirillo missing.
2004 - New England associate Patrick Squillante killed.
2005 - Genovese acting captain Lawrence "Larry" Ricci killed.
2005 - Gambino extortion victim Joseph Generoso wounded.
2005 - Bonanno associate Robert McKelvey killed.
2006 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Zizzo disappeared.
2006 - Gambino captain Carmine "Top Tomato" Sciandra wounded (personal beef).
2007 - Genovese soldier Rudolph Izzi killed.
2007 - Gambino associate Robert DeCicco wounded.
2007 - Lucchese soldier Frank Lagano killed.
2007 - Vincenzo Orilia stabbed by Genovese associate Joseph Bonelli (personal beef).
2008 - Genovese associate William Marcucci killed (killed by son, not really mob related).
2008 - Genovese robbery victim Louis Antonelli killed.
2008 - Bonanno associate Frank Fresca killed.
2009 - Bonanno soldier Anthony Seccifico killed.
2009 - Genovese/Bonanno associate Vincent Zarcone wounded.
2009 - Genovese associate William Romano beaten to death.
2010 - Philadelphia associate Ronald Maniscalco killed.
2010 - Lucchese associate James Donavan killed.
2011 - Lucchese associate Peter Argentina wounded (personal beef).
2011 - Bonanno member Salvatore Montagna killed.
2011 - Mark Iacano stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano.
2012 - Mario Imbesi (testified against Genovese Frank Roche) killed.
2012 - Philadelphia associate Gino DiPietro killed.
2013 - Nunzio Fusco stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano. (personal beef)
2013 - Bonanno associate Enzo Stagno shot and wounded.
2013 - Genovese/Lucchese associate and Purple Gang member Michael Meldish killed.
2013 - Former Gambino acting boss John "Junior" Gotti stabbed and wounded. (personal beef?)


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Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: foochowyum] #766244
03/02/14 12:15 AM
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Great list Ivy. I've never really even heard of the Philly guys in the beginning of the list like John Beebee or Finelli. Any information on them or why they were targeted?


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Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: IvyLeague] #766246
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Flushing
That is a good list. Add one more Genovese hit in 2009:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/nyregion/25slay.html?_r=0


I'm trying to remember if that was the case where the son ended up being the perpetrator.

Anyway, here's an updated list...


2000 - Lucchese associates Anthony and Charles DiGirolamo killed.
2000 - Rochester associate Anthony Vaccaro killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate John Beebee wounded.
2000 - New England associate Paul Maiorano killed.
2000 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrotta wounded.
2001 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Chiaramonti killed.
2001 - Detroit associate John Jarjosa Jr. killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Adam Finelli killed.
2001 - Philadelphia associate Carmen Perrota wounded.
2001 - Bonanno associate Frank Santoro killed.
2001 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2001 - New England associate Leonard Rosenberg killed.
2001 - New England associate Peter DeVito killed.
2001 - Gambino associate Konstantinos Boulis killed.
2002 - Philadelphia soldier Raymond Martorano killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Martin Bosshart killed.
2002 - Gambino associate Darren D'Amico wounded.
2002 - Buffalo captain Frank BiFulco wounded (robbery).
2002 - Genovese associate Dino Bogino wounded.
2002 - New England associate Mark Eldridge killed.
2002 - Detroit associate Gerard Bianchette killed.
2003 - Philadelphia associate John Casasanto killed.
2003 - Genovese captain Adolfo Bruno killed.
2003 - Colombo soldier Joseph Campanella wounded.
2003 - Lucchese soldier Albert Cirelli killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Joseph Mazzotta killed.
2003 - Genovese associate Vincent DeVito wounded.
2003 - Gambino associate John Gurino killed (personal beef).
2003 - Genovese associate Charles Moretto killed (robbery).
2003 - Genovese associate Gary Westerman killed.
2004 - Bonanno associate Rudolph Pizzolo" killed.
2004 - Gambino associate Preston Geritano killed. (personal beef).
2004 - Genovese associate Nicholas Cirillo missing.
2004 - New England associate Patrick Squillante killed.
2005 - Genovese acting captain Lawrence "Larry" Ricci killed.
2005 - Gambino extortion victim Joseph Generoso wounded.
2005 - Bonanno associate Robert McKelvey killed.
2006 - Chicago Outfit lieutenant Anthony Zizzo disappeared.
2006 - Gambino captain Carmine "Top Tomato" Sciandra wounded (personal beef).
2007 - Genovese soldier Rudolph Izzi killed.
2007 - Gambino associate Robert DeCicco wounded.
2007 - Lucchese soldier Frank Lagano killed.
2007 - Vincenzo Orilia stabbed by Genovese associate Joseph Bonelli (personal beef).
2008 - Genovese associate William Marcucci killed (killed by son, not really mob related).
2008 - Genovese robbery victim Louis Antonelli killed.
2008 - Bonanno associate Frank Fresca killed.
2009 - Bonanno soldier Anthony Seccifico killed.
2009 - Genovese/Bonanno associate Vincent Zarcone wounded.
2009 - Genovese associate William Romano beaten to death.
2010 - Philadelphia associate Ronald Maniscalco killed.
2010 - Lucchese associate James Donavan killed.
2011 - Lucchese associate Peter Argentina wounded (personal beef).
2011 - Bonanno member Salvatore Montagna killed.
2011 - Mark Iacano stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano.
2012 - Mario Imbesi (testified against Genovese Frank Roche) killed.
2012 - Philadelphia associate Gino DiPietro killed.
2013 - Nunzio Fusco stabbed and wounded by Genovese associate Benny Geritano. (personal beef)
2013 - Bonanno associate Enzo Stagno shot and wounded.
2013 - Genovese/Lucchese associate and Purple Gang member Michael Meldish killed.
2013 - Former Gambino acting boss John "Junior" Gotti stabbed and wounded. (personal beef?)




I was googling around to find out and I came across a map of recent NY/NJ hits. Pretty cool to see it all mapped out.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&...&dg=feature

Whoever made the map added some hits that I haven't heard about yet, though some on the list are questionable:

7/24/2010: John Giampetruzzi, Hells Angel shot in Astoria might have been mob hit? I don't think so but this guy has it on the map.

9/9/2004: Mitchel Engel, Gotti associate, shot through eye.

http://www.timesnewsweekly.com/sites/www...ERS%20SEAT.html

William Romano was killed in Brooklyn (along with his girlfriend Aliza Aronova) by the Bonannos with permission from the Genovese. She was obviously an innocent bystander.

NYpost: "In April, another longtime Genovese associate, William Romano, 71, was bludgeoned to death, along with his girlfriend, Elviza Aronova, 37, over a drug deal gone awry.
Romano had been running things on the street for his capo, Salvatore “Sally Dogs” Lombardo, who was cooling his heels in prison. Lombardo was a known heroin dealer who was in constant contact with Romano, even while in the can, sources said.
But Romano had recently borrowed $200,000 from the Bonanno crime family to negotiate a heroin deal, The Post has learned, and apparently didn’t pay it back.
A few days later, he and his girlfriend became two more mob fatalities."


Dennis Fiore, 7/2002: bookie killed outside mob social club in Newark's north ward by ex cop, who subsequently committed suicide.

http://baristanet.com/2006/02/bad-blood-in-bloomfield/

John Gasparinetti, 12/19/2009, Nutley

"detectives say the killing may have been linked to organized crime"
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/belleville-woman-seeks-answers-in-father-s-killing-1.4544484


Frank DeSimone, 12/27/2007: Luchesse associate and relative of Tommy DeSimone murdered. May have been over a car, maybe not.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/050311_M...t_building.html

Joseph Campione, 12/2/2006: "bullet riddled body found in Morris Park"

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/qns-body-found-bronx-article-1.595006

Gerardo Antoniello, 9/9/2009: Killed by gambino associate Frank LaCorte

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/quee...ticle-1.1047714

Christopher Castellano, 7/4/2010, Ambushed and shot in Howard Beach, Queens.

http://queenscourier.com/2010/search-for-shooter-10524/

Andrew Puccini,7/2/2003, Canarsie - "He doesn't appear on any of our charts, but he definetly has mob ties" - NYPD

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/mob-link-probed-tan-salon-slaying-article-1.521106











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Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: foochowyum] #766249
03/02/14 01:38 AM
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There are still members being murdered, just not as much as in the past. There are also associates and soldiers that are missing but have not been declared dead. In the 70's and 80's members were being killed ever week which brought a lot of law enforcement scrutiny on the families. The families learned from this and prefer a more peaceful solution as to not bring heat on the family, if one can not be reached then they prefer that the body is not found, unless the victim is respected then the persons body will be found and have an open casket at the funeral. There are still personal beefs between mobsters where one of the mobsters will kill the other mobster without getting the ok from the family or families, but not as much as it was back in the 70's and 80's to where it will interfere with the mob making money and being able to keep their guys out on the street.

Does anyone know why James Donavan was killed? I heard he was sleeping with a capo's wife.


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Originally Posted By: foochowyum
Originally Posted By: Turnbull
There have been plenty of murders within Mafia families, year after year, usually over control of that family. I assume you mean that there have been no wars between Mafia families in NYC. That is generally true. Mafia families long ago realized that wars between families are deadly and wasteful. People get killed, business comes to a halt, and treachery and betrayal become the norms. So, when there is a dispute (or "beef") between families, a "sit down" is arranged and a solution is negotiated.


thanks for your reply. you said: there have been plenty of murders within Mafia families, year after year, usually over control of that family. but why since 70s/80s there were no boss, underboss or capos get whacked by their own men? i'm talking men like galante, castellano, bonventre, etc. the list that @Dellacroce gave here pointed that many of the victims were mob associates, not the top guy.


Philadelphia Don Angelo Bruno was whacked by his own men in 1980. His successor, Philip "Chicken Man" Testa, was whacked the following year. Gotti arranged for the murder of Paul Castellano and his underboss, Tommy Bilotti, in 1985. Gotti was nearly killed in a car bombing the following year that took the life of his underboss.


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Some of you guys are making too much of members "disappearing." Because when a known associate or LCN member vanishes, it usually makes the same headlines that a murder would. And that was the whole point of the "moratorium" placed on mob murders back in the '90s: to make less headlines, not more.

So yeah, guys are still getting killed in that life. But overall, the numbers are WAAAAAY down. It's what's allowing them to survive, and the smarter bosses know this. If bodies started dropping left and right like they were years ago, the Feds would turn the heat right back up. And again, the smarter bosses know this. That's why you don't see as many mob murders today.

There's been a bit of a resurgence, but you have to realize that they're still only as strong as the Feds allow them to be. If they're smart, they'll keep the status quo with the killings (only when ABSOLUTELY necessary). Otherwise they run the risk of tugging on Superman's cape.


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Re: question on NY Five Families [Re: Flushing] #766763
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Originally Posted By: Flushing


I was googling around to find out and I came across a map of recent NY/NJ hits. Pretty cool to see it all mapped out.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&...&dg=feature

Whoever made the map added some hits that I haven't heard about yet, though some on the list are questionable:

7/24/2010: John Giampetruzzi, Hells Angel shot in Astoria might have been mob hit? I don't think so but this guy has it on the map.

9/9/2004: Mitchel Engel, Gotti associate, shot through eye.

http://www.timesnewsweekly.com/sites/www...ERS%20SEAT.html

William Romano was killed in Brooklyn (along with his girlfriend Aliza Aronova) by the Bonannos with permission from the Genovese. She was obviously an innocent bystander.

NYpost: "In April, another longtime Genovese associate, William Romano, 71, was bludgeoned to death, along with his girlfriend, Elviza Aronova, 37, over a drug deal gone awry.
Romano had been running things on the street for his capo, Salvatore “Sally Dogs” Lombardo, who was cooling his heels in prison. Lombardo was a known heroin dealer who was in constant contact with Romano, even while in the can, sources said.
But Romano had recently borrowed $200,000 from the Bonanno crime family to negotiate a heroin deal, The Post has learned, and apparently didn’t pay it back.
A few days later, he and his girlfriend became two more mob fatalities."


Dennis Fiore, 7/2002: bookie killed outside mob social club in Newark's north ward by ex cop, who subsequently committed suicide.

http://baristanet.com/2006/02/bad-blood-in-bloomfield/

John Gasparinetti, 12/19/2009, Nutley

"detectives say the killing may have been linked to organized crime"
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/belleville-woman-seeks-answers-in-father-s-killing-1.4544484


Frank DeSimone, 12/27/2007: Luchesse associate and relative of Tommy DeSimone murdered. May have been over a car, maybe not.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/050311_M...t_building.html

Joseph Campione, 12/2/2006: "bullet riddled body found in Morris Park"

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/qns-body-found-bronx-article-1.595006

Gerardo Antoniello, 9/9/2009: Killed by gambino associate Frank LaCorte

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/quee...ticle-1.1047714

Christopher Castellano, 7/4/2010, Ambushed and shot in Howard Beach, Queens.

http://queenscourier.com/2010/search-for-shooter-10524/

Andrew Puccini,7/2/2003, Canarsie - "He doesn't appear on any of our charts, but he definetly has mob ties" - NYPD

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/mob-link-probed-tan-salon-slaying-article-1.521106



Thanks for posting those.


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