Lol that made me chuckle. I can't
Believe he is still arguing this!!

I don't even disagree that the Feds may sometimes put something out
There that isn't 100% accurate.

But the whole argument about the Feds membership estimate on the
Outfit being completely wrong and is def an example
Of their misinformation is comical. Why did they do that for only the outfit because he wants them to be bigger??

We have gone over this a million times.

It is likely that full time active Outfit membership is 25-35 made men. If you include full time associates, it is probably in the 35-50 range.

If you include more "part time" or "somewhat" deactivated Outfit associates that are either made or not made, it is probably 50-75.

47.5 recurring?

If this were tongue in cheek it would be pretty amusing. Unfortunately, I think you're actually being serious.

Those figures are not a "trend." The 25 and 30 figures are obviously close estimates from the FBI. The 28 figure is obviously a more specific head count. So they are all within a very close range. And, as I've said before, if you look at the estimates 15 to 20 years ago and subtract those members who have died since then, it falls right within that 25-30 member range.

Seriously, some of the mathematical gymnastics you guys come up with in order to inflate the numbers to your liking make reason stare.



The FBI estimates that Chicago now only has 25 "made" members and another 75 organized crime associates.

Robert D. Grant, special agent in charge of the FBI's Chicago office, said the city is still plagued by 28 "made guys" and more than 100 associates who do the dirty work but are in the mob's inner circle.

Mallul estimates the Outfit has about 30 "made" members and a little more than 100 associates.

@ivyleague


what about when the fbi said calabrese gave the names of 60 made guys?

that's a fbi FACT that u coincidently overlook

It's been repeated ad nauseum that the names he gave were of made guys both dead and alive.

Where is a link to that "fact"? Never seen that, just what was presented at trial.

I do think 28 is light, and that they've "made" people that are still unknown in recent times. I can't see it being more than 50 though, unless the feds are WAY off.

But where is this documented? Who gave them the names, the son or brother?

@erickumerow


somebody posted a link on here to nick calabrese's "debriefing or proffer or something"

it laid out everything that he told the feds

he told them it was 60 made guys

i don't see it being more than 50 made members either

Oh you're still here. I thought you would've been sick of trolling by now

Lies, his debriefing sessions have never been published or let out in full for that matter. The sun-times and Tribune both had little pieces but there's been nothing on what he said word for word to the feds. The links to his testimony in FS has been posted but his sessions with the feds or the exact names of the 60 guys has never been posted. Cook its good to see you think less than 50.

Ok, can the moderators close this thread? I do think this thread has run it's course and it is turning into a New York vs Chicago now.

@sgwhatever


somebody posted a link on here to whatever he told the feds

i don't know what thread the link is posted in but it's on here

We've been through this several times now. Yes, when he flipped, Calabrese identified the names of some 60 made members of the Outfit. But common sense (which you lack) tells you that, if we have Chicago FBI officials citing half that at most a few years later, those 60 names were obviously past and present. You want to pretend they are all present, and throw the more recent FBI statements out the window, because you want to believe the Outfit still has 60 made guys today. You're delusional and don't go on anything but wishful thinking.

They got half a guy in a wheelchair, dangerous little man he is. Weed eater motor and all hooked up to it for quick getaways.

/me chuckles.


(Dear SC god, close this fucking thread now please )