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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: Gingello101182]
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02/26/14 07:51 PM
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This was the first claim he made that made me realize he is running an imaginary crime family lol. Lol that made me chuckle. I can't Believe he is still arguing this!! I don't even disagree that the Feds may sometimes put something out There that isn't 100% accurate. But the whole argument about the Feds membership estimate on the Outfit being completely wrong and is def an example Of their misinformation is comical. Why did they do that for only the outfit because he wants them to be bigger??
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: ChiSox74]
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02/27/14 02:35 PM
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Well, you're ignoring the mathematical trend.
In 2005 there were 25 made guys. In 2007 there were 30. That's 5 new made guys in 2 years, or 2.5 per year.
So, if you follow the math, from 2005 to 2014 there were 9 years with 2.5 new made guys per year. That comes to 22.5 made guys.
Add 22.5 to the original number of 25 in 2005 and it comes to 47.5 made guys in 2014.
So there are 47.5 made guys in the Chicago Outfit If this were tongue in cheek it would be pretty amusing. Unfortunately, I think you're actually being serious. Those figures are not a "trend." The 25 and 30 figures are obviously close estimates from the FBI. The 28 figure is obviously a more specific head count. So they are all within a very close range. And, as I've said before, if you look at the estimates 15 to 20 years ago and subtract those members who have died since then, it falls right within that 25-30 member range. Seriously, some of the mathematical gymnastics you guys come up with in order to inflate the numbers to your liking make reason stare. We have gone over this a million times.
It is likely that full time active Outfit membership is 25-35 made men. If you include full time associates, it is probably in the 35-50 range.
If you include more "part time" or "somewhat" deactivated Outfit associates that are either made or not made, it is probably 50-75. The FBI estimates that Chicago now only has 25 "made" members and another 75 organized crime associates.Robert D. Grant, special agent in charge of the FBI's Chicago office, said the city is still plagued by 28 "made guys" and more than 100 associates who do the dirty work but are in the mob's inner circle.Mallul estimates the Outfit has about 30 "made" members and a little more than 100 associates.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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02/27/14 06:18 PM
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what about when the fbi said calabrese gave the names of 60 made guys?
that's a fbi FACT that u coincidently overlook Where is a link to that "fact"? Never seen that, just what was presented at trial. I do think 28 is light, and that they've "made" people that are still unknown in recent times. I can't see it being more than 50 though, unless the feds are WAY off. But where is this documented? Who gave them the names, the son or brother?
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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02/28/14 03:55 PM
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@ivyleague
what about when the fbi said calabrese gave the names of 60 made guys?
that's a fbi FACT that u coincidently overlook We've been through this several times now. Yes, when he flipped, Calabrese identified the names of some 60 made members of the Outfit. But common sense (which you lack) tells you that, if we have Chicago FBI officials citing half that at most a few years later, those 60 names were obviously past and present. You want to pretend they are all present, and throw the more recent FBI statements out the window, because you want to believe the Outfit still has 60 made guys today. You're delusional and don't go on anything but wishful thinking.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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02/28/14 07:53 PM
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SonnyBlackstein
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/me chuckles. (Dear SC god, close this fucking thread now please )
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
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