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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: DBCooper]
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02/14/14 03:03 AM
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HuronSocialAthletic
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Little Nicky & Sonny blackengoof would you two calm the fuck down? You stooge idiots get so goddamn bent out of shape over some total motherfuckin nonsense to begin with.
Where did anyone say the Outfit had hundreds of made guys? Copy & paste please.
The Outfit has always had a tight inner circle of older made men, even going back to their heyday you very rarely had guys getting made into the Chicago Outfit at young ages
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: Dago_From_Chicago]
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02/14/14 05:24 AM
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I take it little nickey does not like Chicago lol. I think the outfit wished EVERYONE thought like you. How could anyone be so naive to think Chicago is basically dead??? its the 3rd largest city in America with over 780,000 residents in the whole Chicago land area that are of Italian descent. I'm going to find that freaking link from the FBI website where even they say that the Chicago outfit is the single most lucrative Italian organized crime identity in the United States. The report was from 2012. New York is nothing but a bunch of rats who glee for the spot light. Every LCN family has a rat problem but the guys on the east coast have fine tuned it to a perfect art form. How ever Chicago has been able to keep its mouth shut for the most part over all these years minus the family secrets trial a few years back which really did not do much as far as hurting the outfit. The difference between Chicago and New York is Chicago keeps their mouths shut and drives pick up trucks and ball caps to stay under the radar where as New york guys have diarrhea of the mouth, drive fancy cars, where snazzy clothes, and walk around with a billboard that says "hey look at me, I'm a New Yorker and I'm in the mob, now get on your knees and suck my balls because im so awesome" not too mention that illinois is easily the most crooked state people seem not to understand the severity of bosses wearing wires or turning state ny makes people just to keep their numbers up
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: cookcounty]
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02/14/14 08:11 AM
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TommyGambino
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I take it little nickey does not like Chicago lol. I think the outfit wished EVERYONE thought like you. How could anyone be so naive to think Chicago is basically dead??? its the 3rd largest city in America with over 780,000 residents in the whole Chicago land area that are of Italian descent. I'm going to find that freaking link from the FBI website where even they say that the Chicago outfit is the single most lucrative Italian organized crime identity in the United States. The report was from 2012. New York is nothing but a bunch of rats who glee for the spot light. Every LCN family has a rat problem but the guys on the east coast have fine tuned it to a perfect art form. How ever Chicago has been able to keep its mouth shut for the most part over all these years minus the family secrets trial a few years back which really did not do much as far as hurting the outfit. The difference between Chicago and New York is Chicago keeps their mouths shut and drives pick up trucks and ball caps to stay under the radar where as New york guys have diarrhea of the mouth, drive fancy cars, where snazzy clothes, and walk around with a billboard that says "hey look at me, I'm a New Yorker and I'm in the mob, now get on your knees and suck my balls because im so awesome" not too mention that illinois is easily the most crooked state people seem not to understand the severity of bosses wearing wires or turning state ny makes people just to keep their numbers up Why do you worship these guys? like PIzzaboy has pointed out to you several times, these guys hate you because your black, it's that simple. You must be a very strange little man to make up lies to exagerate a criminal group that literally thinks of you as an animal, hilarious.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: DBCooper]
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02/14/14 08:27 AM
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Count the made men in a family is very difficult,because the mafia was a secret society,even in the 21th century,thanks to the chart of Pogo the clown,from another site,try to give some numbers on the 5 family and to the other family if is possible.
The Genovese Family 18 capos 126 know made men
Administration: 1. Boss: Vacant -Ruling Panel: ????? (Possibly Bellomo, Muscarella, Cirillo, Dentico or some combination) 2. UnderBoss: Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano/92 -Acting UnderBoss: ????? 3. Consiglieri: James "The Little Guy" Ida/73 (IP/L) -Acting Consiglieri: ?????
Capos:
1. Anthony "Tico" Antico/78 (IP/6/12/2018) – Brooklyn 2. Liborio S. "Barney" Bellomo/56/Ernest Muscarella/70 – Bronx, East Harlem and Manhattan 3. Ludwig "Ninny" Bruschi/79/Anthony “Tony D” Palumbo/64 (IP/11/22/2019) - New Jersey 4. Dominick "Quiet Dom" Cirillo/84 – Manhattan and New Jersey 5. Lawrence "Larry Fab/Little Larry" Dentico/90 - New Jersey and Philly 6. Silvio DeVita/81 - New Jersey 7. Michael “Little Mike” Coppola/66 (IP/3/4/2024)/Michael “Tona” Borelli/76 (Acting) – New Jersey 8. Pasquale “Patty Boy” Falcetti/55 (UI) – Bronx) 9. Rosario “Ross” Gangi/74/Salvatore "Sammy Meatballs" Aparo/83 – Manhattan, Brooklyn and New Jersey 10. Conrad Ianniello/70 (IP)– Brooklyn, Staten Island, Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey and Florida 11. Albert "Kid Blast" Gallo/84 – Brooklyn 12. Joseph "PePe" LaScala/80 (UI) - The Bronx and New Jersey 13. Daniel “Danny/The Lion” Leo/73 – Bronx and East Harlem 14. Alan "Baldie" Longo/63 - Manhattan, Brooklyn and New Jersey 15. James "Jimmy from 8th Street" Messera/73 – Manhattan and Brooklyn 16. Pasquale "Patsy" Parello/69 - Bronx 17. Anthony "Rom" Romanello/76 – Queens 18. Charles "Chuckie" Tuzzo/80 – Brooklyn
Soldiers:
Elio “Chinatown” Albanese/59 Vincent Alberti/72 Steven “DD” Alfisi/47 Stephen Andretta/72 Vincent Aparo/56 Steven Arena/50 Ralph “The Undertaker” Balsamo/42 John "Johnny Sausages" Barbato/79 Salvatore “Hot Dogs” Battaglia/66 Liborio T. Bellomo/53 Steve Buscemi Dominick Cappola/84 Robert Carbone/54 Louis “Lou” Casciano/78 Anthony Cerruto/49 Thomas Cestaro/86 Salvatore Cetrullo/68 Junior Cinciolli Victor Colletti/71 (UI) Alex Conigliaro/51 Anthony Conigliaro/73 Orlando Coraluzzo/92 Michael Crincoli/51 Gus Curcio/57 John "Blue" Defroscia/48 (UI) James Delio/56 Carmine Dellacava/55 Daniel Dellisanti/63 Joseph "Joe D" Dente Jr/49 Michael DeLuca/68 Pasquale “Scop” DeLuca/81 Frank Demeo/58 Salvatore Demeo/72 Dominick DeVito/49 Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara/65 Louis DiNapoli/69 Vito DiSalvo/63 Jerry Esposito/75 Salvatore “Zookie” Esposito/76 Vincent Esposito Anthony "Tough Tony/Tony Parkside" Federici/70 Nicholas “Nicky the Blond” Frustaci/76 John “Little John/Johnny Gags” Gagliardi/69 Lawrence "Larry Glitz" Galizia/60 Andrew Gargiulo/69 Michael "Micky Dimino" Generoso/95 Paul “Slick” Geraci/46 John Giangrande (New Boss) Joseph Giardina Jr/85 Mario Gigante/88 John "Johnny Bull" Giglio/53 Frank Giovinco/43 Peter Grecco/71 Michael "Mikey Hands" Grisante Michael Griziosi/78 Nicholas Gruttadauria/64 Gerard “Fat Jerry” Guadagno/70 Joseph "Joey" Ida/77 Angelo Lapi/76 Domick LaPuma Peter Leconte/43 Onofrio "Malfie" Macchio Alphonse "Allie Shades" Malangone/73 Frank Malangone/50 Steven Maltese/74 Giuseppe “Little Joe” Manzi/36 Ralph Marino/77 John “Johnny Moose” Marrone/78 James Martino/65 Ron Miceli/56 Robert "The Chef" Milano/60 Frank Monti/66 Ernest “Butch/Green Eyes” Montevecchi Anthony Negri Sr/72 Dominick Nicastro/53 Joseph "Rudy" Olivieri/58 Daniel “Danny” Pagano/55 Jimmy Perrone Ciro Perrotta Rocco “Rocky” Petrozza/52 Anthony “Tony Waterguns” Pisapia/69 Joseph “Joe P” Pontoriero/72 Anthony “Muzzy” Pucciarello/77 (UI) Frank “Frankie Pugs” Pugliano/83 Nicholas “Nicky” Quardiria Joseph Queli/66 Michael “Mickey” Ragusa/42 Louis Rizzo Jr/44 Paul Rogina Carmine "Fish" Romano/72 Vincent “Fish” Romano/75 Anthony “Tony the Guinea” Rotolo/66 Louis Ruggiero/81 Carmine “Baby Carmine” Russo/62 Colombo “Edward” Saggese/80 Charles “Fat Charlie” Salzano/61 (UI) Rudolph “Ruddy” Santobello/79 Joseph “Joe Sass” Sarcinella/78 (UI) Michael Sciarra Charles Trentacosta/47 Robert “Bob” Varicchico Frank Vasfailo/58 Fred Vigorito/86 Joseph Zito/73 Salvatore “Sal/Moe” Zito
Possible Made Members: Alexander Cuomo/68 Peter Tomasina/60 Carmine "Johnny Lamps" Saglimbene (2010)
Imprisoned Members: James Bernardone/46 (IP) Anthony Fazio Sr/67 (IP/4/23/2023) Philip Bonadonna/75 (IP/3/15/2015) Stephen “Beech” DePiro/56 (IP/3/8/2014) Dominick DeVito/48 (IP/7/04/2013) Emilio Fusco/44 (IP/5/8/2032) Federico “Fritzy” Giovanelli/76 (IP) Alan “Wolshonak” Grecco/66 (IP/10/2/2046) Salvatore “Sally KO” Larca/45 (IP) Louis "Bobby" Manna/78 (IP/L) Arthur "Artie/The Little Guy" Nigro/69 (IP/L) Dominick “Pepe” Pietranico/83 (IP) Angelo "The Horn" Prisco/71 (IP/L) Joseph “Joe Sass” Sarcinella/79 (IP) Anthony "The Jap" Scaffidi/62 (IP) Salvester Zarzana/48 (IP)
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: DBCooper]
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02/14/14 08:34 AM
02/14/14 08:34 AM
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The Lucchese Family 11 capos 99 know made men
Administration: 1. Boss: Steven "Stevie Wonder/Herbie" Crea/64 2. UnderBoss: ????? 3. Consiglieri: Joseph "Joe C" Caridi/63
Capos:
1. John "Johnny Hooks" Capra/70 - Bronx 2. John “Big John” Castellucci/52 - Brooklyn 3. Joseph “Big Joe” DiNapoli/76 (UI) - Bronx 4. Andrew DiSimone/50 - Westchester and the Bronx 5. Joseph "Joey" Giampa/70 – Bronx and New Jersey 6. Joseph "Big Joey" Lubrano/41 (IP/10/31/2014)/Carlo Profeta/70 - Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and the Bronx 7. Matthew Madonna/76 (UI) – Bronx 8. Aniello "Neil" Migliore/76 – Manhattan, Long Island and Florida 9. Ralph Perna/64 (UI) – New Jersey 10. Dominic "Crazy Dom" Truscello/76/Vincent "Vinny Casablanca" Mancione/50/Anthony Croce/79 – Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and Long Island 11. Anthony "Blue Eyes" Santorelli/65 – Brooklyn and the Bronx
Soldiers: Carmine Accardi/68 Anthony Accetturo Jr. Thomas “Tommy Red” Anzellotto Carmine Avellino/63 Salvatore Avellino/76 Anthony “Bowatt” Baratta/74 Frank Bassi/78 Jody Calabrese/45 Dominick Capelli/56 Michael “Mikey Cap” Capra/71 Robert "Bucky the Boss" Caravaggio/68 Eugene "Bubsie" Castelle/51 John "Johnny Sideburns" Cerrella/71 John Conti/73 Michael “Mikey Bones” Corcione/72 Steven Crea Jr. Domenico "Danny" Cutaia/76 Thomas "Fat Tommy" D'Ambrosia/64 Joseph “Big Joe” Datello/58 (UI) Angelo Defendis/75 Pasqual "Patty" DeLarosso Peter "Petey" DelCioppo/75 Richard DeLuca/74 Philip DeSimone/59 Michael “Mike” DeSantis/56 Joseph "Little Joe" DiBenedetto/40 Nicholas “Fat Nicky” DiConstanza Anthony DiMeglio/75 Salvatore “Sally Bow” DiSimone Joseph "The Ironworker" Fama/43 John "Johnny Blue" Ferreri/72 Thomas "Tommy" Gelardo/66 Scott Gervasi/43 Frank "Fat Frank" Giacobbe/52 Michael Guierriero/55 (UI) Anthony LaSorsa/75 Frank "Big Frank" Lastorino/69 Paul LoDuca/68 John “Blackie” Mangrella/67 (UI) Leonard Mangiapane/69 Pasquale A. Maselli/85 Marco Minuto/44 Frank Moia/73 Enzo Napole Joseph M. “Little Joe” Perna/40 (UI) Joseph R. Perna John Perna/32 (UI) Anthony "Razor" Pezzullo/59 Carlo Piccioli/78 Carmelo “Carlo” Propetta/67 Daniel Rizzo/64 Antonio “Curly” Russo/73 (UI) Alfred Santorelli John Sorrentino Sr/63 John Sorrentino Jr. Carlo Taccetta/35 Joseph "Torty Jr." Tortorello/48 Joseph "JoJo" Truncale/77 Ralph Tutino/80 John “Johnny V” Vanasco/65 Peter “Rugsy” Vario/72 Peter “Butch/Jocko” Vario/64 Anthony Villani Jr/48 Rocco Vitulli/48 Joseph Zaffuto Arthur Zambardi
Imprisoned Members: Vittorio"Vic the Terminator" Amuso/77 (IP/L) Ray Argentina/54 (IP/10/04/2024) John Baudanza/41 (IP/8/2/2015) George "George Goggles" Conte/51 (IP/3/10/2014) Joseph "Joey Blue Eyes" Cosentino/66 (IP/L) Salvatore Cutaia/52 (IP/8/22/2016) Louis "Crossbay Louie/Bagels" Daidone/62 (IP/L) Frank “Frankie Pearls” Federico/80 (IP/2/20/2016) Christopher "Christy Ticks" Furnari/89 (IP/11/24/2044) James “Froggy” Galione/48 (IP/12/24/2015) Anthony Magana/52 (IP/L) Joseph Massaro/70 (IP/L) Frank "Frankie Bones" Papagni/54 (IP/11/24/2015) Michael Perna/66 (IP/8/02/2015) John "Fat Face/Johnny Boy" Petrucelli/36 (IP/L) Nicodemo "Nicky Jr." Scarfo Jr/47 (UI/IP) Anthony Senter/55 (IP/10/13/2032) Michael “Baldy Mike” Spinelli/54 (IP/1/03/2029) Martin “Marty” Taccetta/57 (UI/IP) Michael “Mad Dog” Taccetta/65 (IP/6/10/2014) Joseph "Joey Flowers" Tangorra/58 (IP/12/09/2014) Joseph “Joey” Testa/53 (IP/10/23/2032) George "Georgie Neck" Zappola/49 (IP/3/03/2014)
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: TommyGambino]
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02/14/14 08:45 AM
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I take it little nickey does not like Chicago lol. I think the outfit wished EVERYONE thought like you. How could anyone be so naive to think Chicago is basically dead??? its the 3rd largest city in America with over 780,000 residents in the whole Chicago land area that are of Italian descent. I'm going to find that freaking link from the FBI website where even they say that the Chicago outfit is the single most lucrative Italian organized crime identity in the United States. The report was from 2012. New York is nothing but a bunch of rats who glee for the spot light. Every LCN family has a rat problem but the guys on the east coast have fine tuned it to a perfect art form. How ever Chicago has been able to keep its mouth shut for the most part over all these years minus the family secrets trial a few years back which really did not do much as far as hurting the outfit. The difference between Chicago and New York is Chicago keeps their mouths shut and drives pick up trucks and ball caps to stay under the radar where as New york guys have diarrhea of the mouth, drive fancy cars, where snazzy clothes, and walk around with a billboard that says "hey look at me, I'm a New Yorker and I'm in the mob, now get on your knees and suck my balls because im so awesome" not too mention that illinois is easily the most crooked state people seem not to understand the severity of bosses wearing wires or turning state ny makes people just to keep their numbers up Why do you worship these guys? like PIzzaboy has pointed out to you several times, these guys hate you because your black, it's that simple. You must be a very strange little man to make up lies to exagerate a criminal group that literally thinks of you as an animal, hilarious. who the fuck are you? the only thing i like about sam giancana is his qoute about teddy roe and his death photo u people need to learn to think outside the box, everything ain't black/white
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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02/14/14 09:38 AM
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HuronSocialAthletic
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@ Huronathletic: Stooge idiots? My my. Name calling now. They say if you have to resort to violence...
The stooge idiots are not yours sadly. They are you n your Chicago fan boy clique who make ridiculous claims such as: Chicago number 3 in the US, Chicago LCN earns more than any othe NA LCN etc, etc.
It's simple, don't make ridiculous claims, and you won't get a spanking. We're only responding to the bed you made. You have to sleep in it.
Hint: Facts are fun! Yack yack yack, sit the fuck down & compose yourself. Neither of you clowns has provided anything by way of facts.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: DBCooper]
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02/14/14 10:21 AM
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Thats right Dago, the most lucrative LCN in the country has 1/2 FBI squad devoted to it (or less considering its east European focus now). There are more field agents devoted to the Philadelphia mafia, which is by all accounts a highly dysfunction family in decline. And at least Philly can display a pattern of behavior over the last 8 years through indictments, something Chicago does not have.
Apparently you guys know something the FBI and the US Attorney's Office doesn't. Please share.
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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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02/14/14 11:55 AM
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Huron and the Arm.
Next all we need is cookcounty and we'll have a trifecta.
Question: why do you think nearly all relative authorities, overwhelming majority of quite knowledgable posters here and on similar blogs coupled with the FB friggen EYE all purport the same conclusion regards the Windy City EXCEPT you three who apparently know better than everyone?
Is it conceit, arrogance, wishful thinking or stupidity which leads you to think you KNOW more than EVERYBODY else?
And in case you were wondering. That was rhetorical. Lets start from the beginning....with the FB friggen EYE...the root of your misconcepetions. Quite simply, they lie. Not only DO they lie, the went to the SUPREME FRRIGGIN COURT OF THE US and responded to a suit for the right to lie in both their classified and public documents...In short, the info they publish is meaningless....you guys puking it back and posting it is equally meaningless I have explained my background, I have explained what I do and do not say in internet venues like this and why. The people you read about I know or am a degree or two away from knowing...Hope this helps For the record, I am not a "Chicago fan"...Circumstances brought me to Cook County and yes, when I came here, not being stupid, I reaquanted myself with some old associations and made the right contacts. Why the fuck wouldnt I? Some people question why I have info on the Colombos, Buffalo, Chicago, Rockford and other places. Here is a hint, I dont get it from FBI decoy misinfo, or from internet tabloid bullshitters. I know what I know from being in and around those places, the people in them, and being in and around the life for almost 40 years.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: HuronSocialAthletic]
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02/14/14 03:28 PM
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Yack yack yack, sit the fuck down & compose yourself.
Neither of you clowns has provided anything by way of facts.
Again with the name calling? I'm not the one making the assertions my friend. This is how it works. Make statement, back it up. Don't make statement, don't back up. See? No need to get embarrassed now. We all make mistakes. At 'TheArm': logically whom do you think I/readers here should believe? A) The largest law enforcement agency in the country (probably the world) with tens of thousands of agents and billions of dollars coupled with the overwhelming majority of general authorities on subject. Or B) You. An internet poster who claims there's still a massive unseen unknown to ANYONE LCN conspiracy? See where I'm going? But I see we're going in circles here so rather a moot point to continue. Though I do admire both of your stubbornness in the face of overwhelming consensus.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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02/14/14 03:35 PM
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Yack yack yack, sit the fuck down & compose yourself.
Neither of you clowns has provided anything by way of facts.
Again with the name calling? I'm not the one making the assertions my friend. This is how it works. Make statement, back it up. Don't make statement, don't back up. See? No need to get embarrassed now. We all make mistakes. At 'TheArm': logically whom do you think I/readers here should believe? A) The largest law enforcement agency in the country (probably the world) with tens of thousands of agents and billions of dollars coupled with the overwhelming majority of general authorities on subject. Or B) You. An internet poster who claims there's still a massive unseen unknown to ANYONE LCN conspiracy? See where I'm going? But I see we're going in circles here so rather a moot point to continue. Though I do admire both of your stubbornness in the face of overwhelming consensus. First...What part of misinformation is a part of the FBI's investigation tactics, so much so they went to the surpreme court to have their right to use it litigated do you NOT understand? Second...There is no conspiracy Third...It may be unseen to YOU, but it is not unseen to people close to it. Who should you beleive? Really? I TOLD you, I do not have a dog in the NY vs Chicago pissing contest, I am simply stating facts.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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The FBI is not able to hide indictments or pending court cases. The mention of the SUPREME COURT is a retarded red hearing. Family Secerts came down in 2005, since then how many indictments have targeted the chicago?
So I ask again, is there a currently functioning, major family today that has been about to go almost a decade without any indictments against made members?
You are asking us to believe that not only is the FBI and the US Attorney's Office flat out wrong- but that these Chicago guys are smarter and more efficient the sleekest, most secerative, best run genovese family.
Everything points not to a major, ultra-efficient conspiracy, but a MAJOR slow down in blue collar LCN activity.
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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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02/14/14 03:53 PM
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The FBI is not able to hide indictments or pending court cases. The mention of the SUPREME COURT is a retarded red hearing. Family Secerts came down in 2005, since then how many indictments have targeted the chicago?
So I ask again, is there a currently functioning, major family today that has been about to go almost a decade without any major indictments (soldiers/capos)?
You are asking us to believe that not only is the FBI and the US Attorney's Office flat out wrong- but that these Chicago guys are smarter and more efficient the sleekest, most secerative, best run genovese family. Let put this as simply as I can...Chicago learned lessons from past mass indictments, NY didnt and hasn't. It's still living in 1950 and is full of rats, and guys at low levels are still privy to high level information. Since family secrets that have become leaner, smaller, smarter and about 60% legit. What is NOT legit are rackets associated with the legitamate businesses, real estate, Construction,the Adult industry, Legal gambling, etc, along with some Shy and street tax. The Boss-Underbooss-Capo syetem is done in Chicago, that's why there is no one with a target on his back. It has been replaced by a system of skippers, and street bosses and communications passed between crews and the hiachey on a need to know basis. The SCOTUS ruling on deception in classified and public documents is far from a read herring. It means that what you read and hear from them is calculated misinformation mixed with truth for 2 reasons, one to decoy reaction and chatter, and the other to detect leaks.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: TheArm]
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The FBI is not able to hide indictments or pending court cases. The mention of the SUPREME COURT is a retarded red hearing. Family Secerts came down in 2005, since then how many indictments have targeted the chicago?
So I ask again, is there a currently functioning, major family today that has been about to go almost a decade without any major indictments (soldiers/capos)?
You are asking us to believe that not only is the FBI and the US Attorney's Office flat out wrong- but that these Chicago guys are smarter and more efficient the sleekest, most secerative, best run genovese family. Let put this as simply as I can...Chicago learned lessons from past mass indictments, NY didnt and hasn't. It's still living in 1950 and is full of rats, and guys at low levels are still privy to high level information. Since family secrets that have become leaner, smaller, smarter and about 60% legit. What is NOT legit are rackets associated with the legitamate businesses, real estate, Construction,the Adult industry, Legal gambling, etc, along with some Shy and street tax. The Boss-Underbooss-Capo syetem is done in Chicago, that's why there is no one with a target on his back. It has been replaced by a system of skippers, and street bosses and communications passed between crews and the hiachey on a need to know basis. The SCOTUS ruling on deception in classified and public documents is far from a read herring. It means that what you read and hear from them is calculated misinformation mixed with truth for 2 reasons, one to decoy reaction and chatter, and the other to detect leaks. Cmon This is gangster bb. No logic/common sense allowed!
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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The FBI is not able to hide indictments or pending court cases. The mention of the SUPREME COURT is a retarded red hearing. Family Secerts came down in 2005, since then how many indictments have targeted the chicago?
So I ask again, is there a currently functioning, major family today that has been about to go almost a decade without any major indictments (soldiers/capos)?
You are asking us to believe that not only is the FBI and the US Attorney's Office flat out wrong- but that these Chicago guys are smarter and more efficient the sleekest, most secerative, best run genovese family. Let put this as simply as I can...Chicago learned lessons from past mass indictments, NY didnt and hasn't. It's still living in 1950 and is full of rats, and guys at low levels are still privy to high level information. Since family secrets that have become leaner, smaller, smarter and about 60% legit. What is NOT legit are rackets associated with the legitamate businesses, real estate, Construction,the Adult industry, Legal gambling, etc, along with some Shy and street tax. The Boss-Underbooss-Capo syetem is done in Chicago, that's why there is no one with a target on his back. It has been replaced by a system of skippers, and street bosses and communications passed between crews and the hiachey on a need to know basis. Their little brother Rockford learned some things to, and has reinvented itself so far under the Radar thatthat the FBI says on one hand it doesnt exist, but on the other hand has a leadership listed. Make no mistake, they are not confused. Again, it is a time tested tactic to draw out chatter and instill false confidence The SCOTUS ruling on deception in classified and public documents is far from a red herring. It means that what you read and hear from them is calculated misinformation mixed with truth for 2 reasons, one to decoy reaction and chatter, and the other to detect leaks.
Been there and done it I am very much for real, so if you ask, make sure you really want to know.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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Let put this as simply as I can...Chicago learned lessons from past mass indictments, NY didnt and hasn't. It's still living in 1950 and is full of rats, and guys at low levels are still privy to high level information. Since family secrets that have become leaner, smaller, smarter and about 60% legit. What is NOT legit are rackets associated with the legitamate businesses, real estate, Construction,the Adult industry, Legal gambling, etc, along with some Shy and street tax. The Boss-Underbooss-Capo syetem is done in Chicago, that's why there is no one with a target on his back. It has been replaced by a system of skippers, and street bosses and communications passed between crews and the hiachey on a need to know basis. The SCOTUS ruling on deception in classified and public documents is far from a read herring. It means that what you read and hear from them is calculated misinformation mixed with truth for 2 reasons, one to decoy reaction and chatter, and the other to detect leaks. except for buffalo of course, right? another funny thing about you and your chicago claims with regards to how secretive they are: you claim to be a former low-level buffalo associate, so how the hell would you be privy to this inside information? are you just that "standup" that you were given access? with the claims you've made about your personal inside knowledge of buffalo, chicago, rockford, milwaukee, and best of all pittsburg still going strong with 3 capos and 20+ made guys, it might be best to start listing the families that you haven't had any working relationships with for the sake of some of the serious posters.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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Let put this as simply as I can...Chicago learned lessons from past mass indictments, NY didnt and hasn't. It's still living in 1950 and is full of rats, and guys at low levels are still privy to high level information. Since family secrets that have become leaner, smaller, smarter and about 60% legit. What is NOT legit are rackets associated with the legitamate businesses, real estate, Construction,the Adult industry, Legal gambling, etc, along with some Shy and street tax. The Boss-Underbooss-Capo syetem is done in Chicago, that's why there is no one with a target on his back. It has been replaced by a system of skippers, and street bosses and communications passed between crews and the hiachey on a need to know basis. The SCOTUS ruling on deception in classified and public documents is far from a read herring. It means that what you read and hear from them is calculated misinformation mixed with truth for 2 reasons, one to decoy reaction and chatter, and the other to detect leaks. except for buffalo of course, right? another funny thing about you and your chicago claims with regards to how secretive they are: you claim to be a former low-level buffalo associate, so how the hell would you be privy to this inside information? are you just that "standup" that you were given access? with the claims you've made about your personal inside knowledge of buffalo, chicago, rockford, milwaukee, and best of all pittsburg still going strong with 3 capos and 20+ made guys, it might be best to start listing the families that you haven't had any working relationships with for the sake of some of the serious posters. Son, you have no idea who I have and have not had working relationships with, legit or otherwise. You are one who seems to think family association is particioned and exists in a vacume. Don't fel too bad son, it is a common misconception. When I was "active" I lived in a city with a Bufalo, Scranton and Colombo presence, not to mention rogue Rochester malcontents with Pittsburgh's guys attached to their hip.I have lived in Cook County for 20 years and you bet you ass I sured up my contacts befiore moving here. I have family in Independence Louisiana, so I met some old time Nawlin's guys. Over the course of 40 years you get to know people, and family affiliation means nothing. I have been to weedings and funerls where I have been introduced as a "friend of mine" more times then I can stand. I am not unique. Anyone with my level of connection would tell you the same thing. As for "inside information, I have given almost none, you just think it's inside information becuse you get your news from internet sites full of wannabe Mafia hiostorians and the bullshit the FBI puts out. Who do or did I never have much or any contact with? LA SJ KC (Other then meeting Tuffy DeLuna as a kid) Denver Frisco None Detroit, Gambino, Tampa very little
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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It doesn't matter how insulated the hierarchy is. You cannot commit a decade of blue collar LCN-type crime without having many associates and a few soldiers indicted. By there very nature these low level folks get their hands dirty- unless chicago has managed to do away with that as well. Even during the best modern runs (the Chin, Massino, Uncle Joe, Steve Crea) have had some pattern of indictments for low level operators. It speaks well of your organization when indictments happen but only to lower level guys, and they either stand up or have very little information on other crews. When even basic associates don't get indicted- it speaks only to the fact there is very little activity happening.
You cant point to a single historical example of this complete lack of the indictment activity happening. Especially if we are talking post-1970s FBI techniques.
You are just a huge bullshitter that pulls "im connected" anyone even starts scratching the surface of your absurd claims.
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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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It doesn't matter how insulated the hierarchy is. You cannot commit a decade of blue collar LCN-type crime without having many associates and a few soldiers indicted. Even during the best modern runs (the Chin, Massino, Uncle Joe, Steve Crea) have had some pattern of indictments for low level operators.
You cant point to a single historical example of this complete lack of the indictment activity happening. Especially if we are talking post-1970s FBI techniques.
You are just a huge bullshitter that pulls "im connected" anyone even starts scratching the surface of your absurd claims. Actually no...you are a know nothing chump who thinks histrory can be told in a snapshot, trusts a source who openly admits their information is not to be trusted, and is so far from the street and the places you claim to know about, you have no idea what goes on in plain site there. A simple dribe down North Avenue would be enough for anyone, even someone not interested in these matters, to know a litle something about what is happening. "Knowing" something is one thing, having enough for indictments is another. How the fuck long did you think the family secrets investgationwent on before the indictments came down? Since post 1970? The crew I became a part of ran with impunity from 1968 till almost 1990 with NO one, i'll sayn it again, NO one getting pinched or indicted. get a clue son
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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Thats because you can't name a single occurrence of it happening. Even the smoothest and best orgnaization have low level operators indicted- because by there very nature they do the dirty work. But apparently even their low level guys have some sort of unseen magical abilities.
There were plenty of indictments between 2000 and 2005. Indicating activity. Not so much after Family Secrets. That's the difference.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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Thats because you can't name a single occurrence of it happening. Even the smoothest and best orgnaization have low level operators indicted- because by there very nature they do the dirty work. But apparently even their low level guys have some sort of unseen magical abilities.
There were plenty of indictments between 2000 and 2005. Indicating activity. Not so much after Family Secrets. That's the difference. I just gave you one of many examples, and I already explained to you why things have been quiet since family secrets. Short of crayons and paper puppets, I don't see how I can make it much more clear. My advice, if you want an opinion that makes sense, come to Chicago, the chicago burbs and rockford and take a look around. See the Cherry picked properties being slated for demolition in Rockford and which areas are being gentrified and find out who owwns them, go to any gentlemens club in the area and see the evidence of human trafficing and prostitution, Go to the fish fry at St Ambrogiois or Cappys in Winnebago or to Tigers bar on a Saterday night and be a fly on the wall, Go up Harlem avenue, North avenue and Grand Avenue and just look around with a curios eye, or go to any bar in stone park and observe....then you might be qualified to have an opinion
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
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Guys connected with the mob make a living at lying, cheating, and stealing - I'm not so inclined that they are a better source of information than the feds. How well do you trust your sources? Since you claim to have first-hand knowledge, there is a chance you may be naturally and unwittingly inflating the importance of your associates and their activities. Similar to an Iraqi or Desert Storm vet seeing some action and thinking it was the most frightening thing imaginable when there are vets from WWII and Nam with stories that put the others to shame. It's all a matter of perspective. I never claimed to be made, I never claimed to have broken bread with bosses, and I never claimed to be any more connected then I am. I was a low to mid level associate,but becuse of my family history and the fact that I was looking at RICO and the loss of my freedom till iold age and never flipped a lot of doors were and are open to me that might not have been otherwise. I was looking at RICO and double digit time in the can, but through sheer dumb luck I ended up doing a bullet I have never mentioned a name, a crime or a incident in here that has not been covered by the media, law enforcement or both, or is not common knowledge or involved anyone still living, and I never will.
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