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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/22/14 04:55 PM
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Come on Ivy don't you know that Buffalo control all of upstate NY and Canada. Also Robert Ianelli is not only made in Pittsburgh he is the boss. Also Rockford is opening the books and it will soon dwarf the outfit in size lol. Are these the claims you mentioned?
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: Gingello101182]
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02/22/14 05:12 PM
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Come on Ivy don't you know that Buffalo control all of upstate NY and Canada. Also Robert Ianelli is not only made in Pittsburgh he is the boss. Also Rockford is opening the books and it will soon dwarf the outfit in size lol. Are these the claims you mentioned? What's funny is, even if he was who he says he was in Rochester (which I highly doubt), and even if there was still a family in Rockford (which there isn't), how would this guy be privy to them opening up the books? Did they call him up and say, "Hey buddy, we're getting ready to make some new members. Just thought you should know." And all so he can turn right around and tell us all about it online. 
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: ChiSox74]
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02/22/14 08:23 PM
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Alyssa Milano controls Kansas City I could only wish LOL would rather look at her that PJ Simone LOL.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: Gingello101182]
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02/22/14 09:51 PM
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Yeah its PJ's son, Joe Pete. I get along with him but I can see how others might take him wrong. He and his partner Pallazo own several clubs and they run X through them His other partner Marcus Arnone is doing 5 years for X distribution. That being said JP started early, getting busted while in college for running a gambling ring, probably cost him a career in pro baseball, he was a highly recruited ball player. He was investigated a few years ago in a murder. An individual who owed JP about $3500 was at the boats and hit for a big win. He was found murdered in his car the next morning. The police pulled surveillance footage and JP was seen following this guy out of the casino. As for the Web series, its pretty bad and from what I have been told Daddy "asked" him to stop.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: DBCooper]
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02/24/14 03:52 PM
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The truth is somewhere in between. The Outfit is not dead and anyone claiming so is a fool. The Outfit is not as strong as any of the NY families and anyone claiming so is a fool.
The Outfit has never made many guys like other families. At their peak in the 1950-60's they had maybe 100 made guys, but rivaled the Genovese and Gambinos in power with control of the Midwest and West Coast. They controlled Las Vegas with one made man who wasn't even a capo. They ran the Hollywood extortion scheme with one made man. Counting activity by the number of indictments isn't an exact science. The Philly and NE mob have more indictments because they are full of idiots and informants. If indictments are an indicator of activity, the Colombos are the most powerful mafia family the past two decades. How many indictments were there in Tampa from the 1960-80's?
Other than the East Coast that is infested with wiseguys, the FBI doesn't have the manpower to go after a bunch of bookies and shylocks anymore. Some of you guys can't seem to grasp that this isn't the 1950-1980's anymore. There are many more dangerous organized crime groups and threats to the country than a bunch of bookies. You have the Colombians, Mexicans, Russians, Chinese, and street gangs moving tons of drugs and trafficking in humans. You have Islamic terrorist groups plotting to blow up buildings and planes. You have hackers causing hundreds of billions in damage. Unless it involves drugs, murders, or corruption of unions/government, the feds mostly don't give a shit anymore. They'll pick off the low hanging fruit dealing drugs and flip them. Easy cases with informants like Joe Vollaro doing the work.
There are 25 FBI agents for the 5 families. That's 600 made guys with probably another 3-5000 associates. That's 1 agent per 200 mobsters. I'd be surprised if there's more than one agent working full-time on any of the other families.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: mulberry]
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02/24/14 04:19 PM
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The truth is somewhere in between. The Outfit is not dead and anyone claiming so is a fool. The Outfit is not as strong as any of the NY families and anyone claiming so is a fool.
The Outfit has never made many guys like other families. At their peak in the 1950-60's they had maybe 100 made guys, but rivaled the Genovese and Gambinos in power with control of the Midwest and West Coast. They controlled Las Vegas with one made man who wasn't even a capo. They ran the Hollywood extortion scheme with one made man. Counting activity by the number of indictments isn't an exact science. The Philly and NE mob have more indictments because they are full of idiots and informants. If indictments are an indicator of activity, the Colombos are the most powerful mafia family the past two decades. How many indictments were there in Tampa from the 1960-80's?
Other than the East Coast that is infested with wiseguys, the FBI doesn't have the manpower to go after a bunch of bookies and shylocks anymore. Some of you guys can't seem to grasp that this isn't the 1950-1980's anymore. There are many more dangerous organized crime groups and threats to the country than a bunch of bookies. You have the Colombians, Mexicans, Russians, Chinese, and street gangs moving tons of drugs and trafficking in humans. You have Islamic terrorist groups plotting to blow up buildings and planes. You have hackers causing hundreds of billions in damage. Unless it involves drugs, murders, or corruption of unions/government, the feds mostly don't give a shit anymore. They'll pick off the low hanging fruit dealing drugs and flip them. Easy cases with informants like Joe Vollaro doing the work.
There are 25 FBI agents for the 5 families. That's 600 made guys with probably another 3-5000 associates. That's 1 agent per 200 mobsters. I'd be surprised if there's more than one agent working full-time on any of the other families. i'm not understanding why so many people think an organization full of rats is strong ny is full of wire wearing captains the last time i checked having an infestation of rodents was a serious problem
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: domwoods74]
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02/24/14 04:19 PM
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Ivy I agree with u regarding the Chicago mob , but don't u think there is more than 28 ?? The Feds have prob downplayed the number somewhat , I bet there is at least 10 more . Unless you r in the know , how do u know there wasn't a making ceremony last night ?? U just don't know , most of it is heresay and guess work . People get a semblance of the truth through reading between the lines , however IVY u seem to be a knowledgable guy , I agree with the majority of things u say What reason do people have to believe the feds have "downplayed" the number of made Outfit members? Answer: None. Some people just don't like the figure. They personally think (or wish) there are more members. So they try to find reasons to explain away what at least three different FBI officials in Chicago have said. There are 25 FBI agents for the 5 families. That's 600 made guys with probably another 3-5000 associates. That's 1 agent per 200 mobsters. I'd be surprised if there's more than one agent working full-time on any of the other families. It's at least 700 total made members in New York.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: cookcounty]
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02/24/14 04:46 PM
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@ivyleague
so chicago posters can't say that they believe it's between 30-40 made guys in chicago
but utah posters can talk about it being 700 made guys in ny
somebody sounds like a goddamn fan The 700 members in the New York families is well documented. 40 members in Chicago is something certain people have just pulled out of thin air. See the difference? This is about what the latest official info says. Not about people's worthless opinions.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: cookcounty]
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02/24/14 05:20 PM
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@ivyleague
so chicago posters can't say that they believe it's between 30-40 made guys in chicago
but utah posters can talk about it being 700 made guys in ny
somebody sounds like a goddamn fan And the one man troll show continues . What a dumb thread, mods should kill it Amen to that.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: mulberry]
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02/24/14 09:13 PM
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The truth is somewhere in between. The Outfit is not dead and anyone claiming so is a fool. The Outfit is not as strong as any of the NY families and anyone claiming so is a fool.
The Outfit has never made many guys like other families. At their peak in the 1950-60's they had maybe 100 made guys, but rivaled the Genovese and Gambinos in power with control of the Midwest and West Coast. They controlled Las Vegas with one made man who wasn't even a capo. They ran the Hollywood extortion scheme with one made man. Counting activity by the number of indictments isn't an exact science. The Philly and NE mob have more indictments because they are full of idiots and informants. If indictments are an indicator of activity, the Colombos are the most powerful mafia family the past two decades. How many indictments were there in Tampa from the 1960-80's?
Other than the East Coast that is infested with wiseguys, the FBI doesn't have the manpower to go after a bunch of bookies and shylocks anymore. Some of you guys can't seem to grasp that this isn't the 1950-1980's anymore. There are many more dangerous organized crime groups and threats to the country than a bunch of bookies. You have the Colombians, Mexicans, Russians, Chinese, and street gangs moving tons of drugs and trafficking in humans. You have Islamic terrorist groups plotting to blow up buildings and planes. You have hackers causing hundreds of billions in damage. Unless it involves drugs, murders, or corruption of unions/government, the feds mostly don't give a shit anymore. They'll pick off the low hanging fruit dealing drugs and flip them. Easy cases with informants like Joe Vollaro doing the work.
There are 25 FBI agents for the 5 families. That's 600 made guys with probably another 3-5000 associates. That's 1 agent per 200 mobsters. I'd be surprised if there's more than one agent working full-time on any of the other families. I agree with a lot of this. Lock this thing
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/24/14 10:13 PM
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Ivy I agree with u regarding the Chicago mob , but don't u think there is more than 28 ?? The Feds have prob downplayed the number somewhat , I bet there is at least 10 more . Unless you r in the know , how do u know there wasn't a making ceremony last night ?? U just don't know , most of it is heresay and guess work . People get a semblance of the truth through reading between the lines , however IVY u seem to be a knowledgable guy , I agree with the majority of things u say What reason do people have to believe the feds have "downplayed" the number of made Outfit members? Answer: None. Some people just don't like the figure. They personally think (or wish) there are more members. So they try to find reasons to explain away what at least three different FBI officials in Chicago have said. There are 25 FBI agents for the 5 families. That's 600 made guys with probably another 3-5000 associates. That's 1 agent per 200 mobsters. I'd be surprised if there's more than one agent working full-time on any of the other families. It's at least 700 total made members in New York. They could be downplaying it to the public to make it seem like the Feds are keeping them in check or the Outfit is in it on it with some feds up in Chicago and want to change the numbers to public to become more unassuming?
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/25/14 11:15 AM
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he probabaly mentioned me becuse he know s who I am and knows I know what I'm talking about...as opposed to you who "never questions the Fed"...even though the Fed admits freely that the lie on a regular basis....not sure why you have such a hard time getting your hands around that Because the feds supposedly admitted to using misinformation in a few cases at one point, you want to use that as a blanket excuse to dismiss what they say whenever you damn well please. You expect the rest of us to be sceptical of the FBI but take what you say as the gospel truth. Never mind you have claimed some of the most ridiculous, demonstrably false things in the short time you have been on this forum. NOPE..."they didn't supposedly admitted to using misinformation in a few cases at one point"....they have used it since Appalacian, and in fact have been to court multiple times to be allowed to continue to use it. It is time tested investigatibe technique. You "never doubt them" (your words) whaich makes your credibility..wait for it...ZERO Boyscouts should shcould stick with boyscout meetings
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: Gingello101182]
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02/25/14 11:23 AM
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Lol I agree 100%. What is funny is I called him on some of his BS about Rochester, and he has since changed his story. Now he claims his crew was more active in Utica and he knew people in Rochester but did not work with them. Also he said he served 14 months in a federal prison on a misdemeanor conviction. I have never heard of anyone getting more than a year of incarceration for a misdemeanor. Even then they serve the time in a jail not a federal prison. This was the first claim he made that made me realize he is running an imaginary crime family lol. Now why would you be so foolish as to lie about something that is so easy for anyone to look back and and realize you are lying? Never changed any story,,,not once Never said I never worked with people in Rochester, in fact I said just the opposite. I have backed up everytghing I have claimed. I was sentenced on two misdomenors and served two consecutive 6 month sentences, plus two additioanl months for some infractions while inside That was the truth then, it's the truth now, never changed the story....why would you tell such a silly lie? OPh, and the other claimes you say I made...two of 3 are complete lies on your part as well...never said either of them, and the 3rd just shows you know zero...but I'm sure Ive appreciates the sloppy kiss on the nut sack
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: Longislandguy14]
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02/25/14 11:59 AM
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The fact you are talking about having been locked up and acting like you are in the know speaks volumes about you. Deranged fan boy comes to mind. Chicago aint shit. The Vegas era is over. That is when they were a force. Get over it. If the Feds don't know about em, guess what? They are going the way of the dodo bird. EXTINCT! Cartels are the only real mafia in Chicago. Do you know how I came to that conclusion? Indictments! I am not part of the Chicago vs NY pissing contest, it's a ridiculous senseless discussion. Your statement however that the Chicago outfit is extinct, is equally silly. Read a newspaper now and then, you will find over the weekend there was a conviction which involves a muti million dollar a year outfit operation, more specifically the Elmwood park/Melrose park/Cicero faction
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: cookcounty]
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02/25/14 01:06 PM
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@ivyleague
the fbi officially claimed that calabrese gave them 60 names of made guys
interestingly you completely overlook that fact
nobody knows those 60 names, whether their dead, alive or in jail
"28 made guys roaming chicago" doesn't mean there is only 28 made guys The FBI can say 60 on Monday and 42 on Friday, nothing they publish publicly should be taken as reliable.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: cookcounty]
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@ivyleague
the fbi officially claimed that calabrese gave them 60 names of made guys
interestingly you completely overlook that fact
nobody knows those 60 names, whether their dead, alive or in jail
"28 made guys roaming chicago" doesn't mean there is only 28 made guys The FBI can say 60 on Monday and 42 on Friday, nothing they publish publicly should be taken as reliable. most of the information law enforcement releases publicly has a slant to it Indeed...it's how they get people of interest to expose themselves as suspects.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: TheArm]
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02/26/14 12:30 PM
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That still does not make sense you would not serve your time in a federal facility for misdemeanors. either way you are a troll you know nothing so I will ignore you now. Take your fantasy world somewhere else.
How come if you were so tight with Dominic Bretti you did not recognize his pictures when Hairy Knuckles showed you? Again I am not going to name call because that is what a child does which is what you are. I know who my wife and her family are. I have spoken with people from Buffalo and mentioned your posts. You are a joke everywhere and everyone knows it. Please someone kill this thread.
You say share my life, and I think share my tequila. And then I think.... no.-Principal Lewis
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: cookcounty]
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02/26/14 04:13 PM
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@ivyleague
the fbi officially claimed that calabrese gave them 60 names of made guys
interestingly you completely overlook that fact
nobody knows those 60 names, whether their dead, alive or in jail
"28 made guys roaming chicago" doesn't mean there is only 28 made guys We don't just have that "28 made guys roaming Chicago" comment from Robert Grant in 2007. ---> http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-27-3043193147_x.htmWe also have John Mallul, supervisor of the FBI's organized crime unit in Chicago, citing 30 made members that same year. ---> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-09-30/news/0709300075_1_chicago-outfit-mob-boss-calabreseAnd in 2005 we had the feds citing 25 members ---> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-...on-street-gangsSo it appears we have a consistent estimate from the feds, in relation to total members, in the range of 25-30 members. Give it up, cook, you may not like these figures but you can't explain them away.
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Re: Rank of the La Cosa Nostra Families today
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/26/14 07:38 PM
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Well, you're ignoring the mathematical trend.
In 2005 there were 25 made guys. In 2007 there were 30. That's 5 new made guys in 2 years, or 2.5 per year.
So, if you follow the math, from 2005 to 2014 there were 9 years with 2.5 new made guys per year. That comes to 22.5 made guys.
Add 22.5 to the original number of 25 in 2005 and it comes to 47.5 made guys in 2014.
So there are 47.5 made guys in the Chicago Outfit
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