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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765497
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Originally Posted By: funkster
So we have another name...Robert Pannozo.


Pannozo is a a blue collar burglar from Elmwood Park. He was in that burglary ring with Paul Koroluk who is also a Grand Avenue crew member and notable confidant of Albie Vena.

Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765511
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Originally Posted By: funkster
Don't know the ins and outs of the law, but it's odd that it was the FBI that was the lead in this. Why not CPD? Wonder if the Outfit involvement is more than we currently know.



the mafia doesn't operate in enough "chicago" neighborhoods for the CPD to chase them

they operate in crooked ass suburbs

it's odd that the feds keep busting outfit associates right before they commit a crime

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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: cookcounty] #765514
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Don't know the ins and outs of the law, but it's odd that it was the FBI that was the lead in this. Why not CPD? Wonder if the Outfit involvement is more than we currently know.



the mafia doesn't operate in enough "chicago" neighborhoods for the CPD to chase them

they operate in crooked ass suburbs

it's odd that the feds keep busting outfit associates right before they commit a crime


I would have thought anyone who follows the news in Chicago and read anything over the weekend,would realize the "Outfit is extinct, down to 28 members" nonsense is just that, nonesense. Mandells trail involves a multi million dollar a year outfit operation...not bad for an "extinct family" huh?


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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: cookcounty] #765522
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: funkster
Don't know the ins and outs of the law, but it's odd that it was the FBI that was the lead in this. Why not CPD? Wonder if the Outfit involvement is more than we currently know.



the mafia doesn't operate in enough "chicago" neighborhoods for the CPD to chase them

they operate in crooked ass suburbs

it's odd that the feds keep busting outfit associates right before they commit a crime

It depends on whose jurisdiction this would have fallen under. If these meetings Mandell was having were in Chicago and if "Club Med" really was in Edgebrook, that would fall under Chicago authority, not the suburbs. Just because they are based in the suburbs now, doesn't mean they don't conduct business here in the city.

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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765523
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Originally Posted By: funkster
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Don't know the ins and outs of the law, but it's odd that it was the FBI that was the lead in this. Why not CPD? Wonder if the Outfit involvement is more than we currently know.



the mafia doesn't operate in enough "chicago" neighborhoods for the CPD to chase them

they operate in crooked ass suburbs

it's odd that the feds keep busting outfit associates right before they commit a crime

It depends on whose jurisdiction this would have fallen under. If these meetings Mandell was having were in Chicago and if "Club Med" really was in Edgebrook, that would fall under Chicago authority, not the suburbs.


The Feds can bump local law enforcement if the investigation involves federal crimes


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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: TheArm] #765525
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Originally Posted By: TheArm
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Originally Posted By: funkster
Don't know the ins and outs of the law, but it's odd that it was the FBI that was the lead in this. Why not CPD? Wonder if the Outfit involvement is more than we currently know.



the mafia doesn't operate in enough "chicago" neighborhoods for the CPD to chase them

they operate in crooked ass suburbs

it's odd that the feds keep busting outfit associates right before they commit a crime

It depends on whose jurisdiction this would have fallen under. If these meetings Mandell was having were in Chicago and if "Club Med" really was in Edgebrook, that would fall under Chicago authority, not the suburbs.


The Feds can bump local law enforcement if the investigation involves federal crimes

Exactly what I mean. That's why I wonder if there isn't more to this than we know. Did the feds take over this conspiracy to murder investigation simply because of the meetings with known Outfit members, or is there more to this investigation than we've been made aware of?

Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765529
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Club Med was in edgebrook

Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765530
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The Feds can bump local law enforcement if the investigation involves federal crimes [/quote]
Exactly what I mean. That's why I wonder if there isn't more to this than we know. Did the feds take over this conspiracy to murder investigation simply because of the meetings with known Outfit members, or is there more to this investigation than we've been made aware of?[/quote]

As I have said, this investigation involves a multi million dollar outfit operation, the Russian mafia, Human trafficing, prostitution, shy, and the adult and sex industry throughout the midwest.
Why just traget Mandell you might ask?
Becuse the rest of the activity is either "Legal", "Semi Legal", extreammly hard to prove, or NOT a federal crime.


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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: TheArm] #765555
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Originally Posted By: TheArm


The Feds can bump local law enforcement if the investigation involves federal crimes

Exactly what I mean. That's why I wonder if there isn't more to this than we know. Did the feds take over this conspiracy to murder investigation simply because of the meetings with known Outfit members, or is there more to this investigation than we've been made aware of?[/quote]

As I have said, this investigation involves a multi million dollar outfit operation, the Russian mafia, Human trafficing, prostitution, shy, and the adult and sex industry throughout the midwest.
Why just traget Mandell you might ask?
Becuse the rest of the activity is either "Legal", "Semi Legal", extreammly hard to prove, or NOT a federal crime. [/quote]

As we have all concluded, you really are just a teenager in Mom's basement with a big imagination tongue

Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765557
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No idea what Chi town said becuse he is so totally irrelivant I put him on ignore, but I can only assume it is the usual nonsense....try to keep it down chitown...the informed grown ups are talking..k?


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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: NickyEyes1] #765558
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Club Med was in edgebrook

Yeah, which is in Chicago not the burbs.

Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765593
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I think the bigger issue from an Outfit perspective was that George Michaels--who was owned by the Grand Avenue Crew--was wearing a wire in a dinner with Albie Vena. While the Feds may be using him on Mandell right now, chances are he has other dirt to offer on his mob pals.

Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765595
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Originally Posted By: funkster
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Club Med was in edgebrook

Yeah, which is in Chicago not the burbs.


Just more prooof that this was much more than a simple murder plot, if it were there would be no reason for the Feds to get involved


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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765787
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The Feds were involved because it was their informant that cracked the case, not a CPD informant.

It is highly unlikely that CPD actively investigates the Mob because frankly, there are few mob crimes committed in the city. Suburban agencies do not have the manpower to investigate the Mafia, unless it is responding to specific complaints (i.e. video poker in bars and Prostitution).

In addition to the use of the federal informant, the FBI generally handles all Mob related crime. This is true in Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Boston and every other major city with organized crime.

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Lol yes I agree. I think everyone is simply proving the point I'm trying to make, that there is something else going on here than just Mandell trying to murder some people for a guy that was introduced to him by the Outfit. I think ChiTown is correct, there is more to this investigation than just Mandell and a La Scarola introduction.

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Re: Outfit strip club owner plot [Re: funkster] #765980
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Question for ChiTown, or whomever, really.

Which crew was Sam Sarcinelli with?

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Also, Dominic Mangiamele & his kid Joe, who were/are they with?

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Question for ChiTown, or whomever, really.

Which crew was Sam Sarcinelli with?



Sarcinelli has been around the Outfit for a long time with his buddy Larry Bradi, a former CPD officer. Frankly I would have assumed he was dead. He has been an active drug dealer for decades and did time on cocaine charges in the 1970s and 1980s. He was also connected to Ken Eto. I know that Sarcinelli was also close with Joe Lombardo and grew up in the Patch so I would assume he is Grand Avenue.

Sam owns an ATM company called "ASAI-VI."

Dominic Magiamele and his son were really just bookies...they probably paid their taxes through Cortina and Angelini so I would assume they kick up to guys like Marco D'Amico now.

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Huron, why do you ask about those three...any reason in particular or just your own personal curiosity?

ChiTown how about Pete LaBalestra..i've seen his name come up know anything about him?

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Sarcinelli & the elder Mangiamele were initial investors in Polekatz Bridgeview along with 'Tony Q' Quaranta. Freddy Plascente also hitched his pathetic wheel to that wagon in some form or another.

Speaking of which, @chitown, what do you make of the recent interviews with Fred on YouTube? What do you think of him & do you think he fabricates?

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@funkster thewife was claiming that Pannozzo is the informant & has been for some time

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Sarcinelli & the elder Mangiamele were initial investors in Polekatz Bridgeview along with 'Tony Q' Quaranta. Freddy Plascente also hitched his pathetic wheel to that wagon in some form or another.

Speaking of which, @chitown, what do you make of the recent interviews with Fred on YouTube? What do you think of him & do you think he fabricates?


Why don't you like Fred Pascente? Most people say he is a very nice person and personable.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Sarcinelli & the elder Mangiamele were initial investors in Polekatz Bridgeview along with 'Tony Q' Quaranta. Freddy Plascente also hitched his pathetic wheel to that wagon in some form or another.

Speaking of which, @chitown, what do you make of the recent interviews with Fred on YouTube? What do you think of him & do you think he fabricates?

Hmmm interesting. I'm very curious as to what inner Outfit politics is going on with this whole situation.

Also interesting that thewives or whomever deleted that comment so quickly. I wonder if Panozzo and Vena were the only two GAC reps at that meeting or if someone else was there. Who were the guys that Mandell was heard nicknaming in the wires...yet another question i'm curious about.

Finally, I can't imagine Pascente is doing much these days. I would assume discussing Outfit stories on youtube would be frowned upon.

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Or they don't care because the Outfit is no longer the Outfit and is legitimate. smile

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Originally Posted By: TheArm
I would have thought anyone who follows the news in Chicago and read anything over the weekend,would realize the "Outfit is extinct, down to 28 members" nonsense is just that, nonesense. Mandells trail involves a multi million dollar a year outfit operation...not bad for an "extinct family" huh?


I don't think there is anyone that is more familiar with Outfit cases in Chicago in recent years than myself and I find the "28 members and a little over 100 associates" figures cited by the feds believable.


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Can we please not disrupt this thread with this debate yet again....please?

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Pascente is a scam artist & a bit of a "poor me" guy.

He isn't discussing anything of note, Just some old stories of growing up in the Patch, harmless shit. He still lives in Melrose park, and knows to keep his Mouth shut, but they'll keep an eye on him regardless.

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Mandell referenced a "strong guy" or something no? That would be Tony Q who is a juice monkey, and was almost convicted for tons of illegal steroids prior to resigning from the Franklin Park PD.

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