lol I can't believe this statement...man Ivy (Jared) you are a fucking online egomaniac haha. You need a life. I feel sorry for your wife (or your right hand).

I meant the part where he referred "two mobsters as Louis linguini and Sammy Salami". I suppose vena and Pannozzo?

It's not egomania. It's simply something I've concentrated on - mob cases from 2000 to the present, including in Chicago. And there's nothing in them that would suggest that the Outfit having 28 members and a little over 100 associates is unlikely.

@ivyleague

the general public didn't know shit about al tournabene until what 2005/06/07?

he helped plug james marcello back in 1983

the feds didn't even know or didn't admit they knew of his importance

No it's definitely egomania You take these mob forums so fucking seriously you loner.

ChiTown is now on a two week vacation. His hardon for IvyLague got the better of him and despite a few warnings he continues to make flaming posts.

Wrong again, cook. (Are you ever right about anything?) His name is right there on the Outfit chart the CCC put out back in the late 1990's.

http://www.laborers.org/OutfitChart.html



The guy has had a hard on for me for years, going back to another forum. What's funny is, he puts on this act like he doesn't care what I say, and that my posts have no bearing on anything, but he's never been able to lose his weird obsession with me. I outed him as a fraud some time ago and he can't let it go. He knows he can't hold his own when it comes to mob-related discussions so he resorts to personal attacks. Never mind the fact that his assumptions about me are usually waaaaay off.

@ivyleague


chicago crime commision ain't the feds

not too mention they had him very outranked when he was obviously on a higher plane

so once again the feds didn't mention his importance until 2005/6/7

Chitown actually knows these people & their families & is able to share relevant, factual insight that outsiders would never be able to hear anywhere else.

So the CCC was aware of his existence but the FBI wasn't? Never mind the fact that both share information and often cooperate. Sorry, pal, that doesn't hold water.



And we know this, how? Because he posts photos online that he got from God knows where? All I know is that he has a long history of misrepresenting the current status of the Outfit, as well as constantly calling the feds into question to justify what he claims.

People call thye FBI into question becuse they have publicly admitted, and in fact went to court for the right to deseminate misinformation.
I have cited case law
Given multiple examples
Yet some still can't seem to get theirn hands around this undeniable fact...leaves one to wonder why

It involved bringing the totalaity of the sex/human trafficing industry not only in Chicago, but much of ther midwest, under the thumb of 3 Chicago crews and their Russain associates.
Houewaives with no particular interest in mob activity who live in the Chicagoland area know this and have known this for months

I would imagine the FBI has close to a complete understanding of the workings of what's left of the Outfit.

They just don't go around blabbing about it, LOL.

The only time you find out what they know is when they go to trial.

They only go to trial when they have a slam dunk.

Unlike on an Internet forum, the only that matters to them is when you can prove something.

Regarding people who "know people"--great.

As I've said before I lived next to mobsters for a while, and my family was somewhat friendly with them.

One thing they don't do is have a few drinks and start talking about their business.

Uh...no, that's not why. The people who call the FBI into question on these forums almost always do so because what the FBI says disproves the lies those posters are trying to float here.

One thing they don't do is have a few drinks and start talking about their business.


20 years ago..I would have agreed. Not so anymore

Well, that is my experience. And I knew them fairly well.

Your situation, I guess, is different, since you are a mafioso yourself.

I was just a neighbor.

Nope....we have been over this
The FBI systematically disseminates misinformation, as an investigative tool, and went to court for the right to do so
I cited case law,, gave a dozens examples, and documented this nine ways to Sunday.
If you choose to never question an entity who has already told you they lie…carry on, just don’t deny the fact that they do

Sorry for the Dbl post

Didn't the FBI for years deny the existence of the mob completely? I guess maybe I don't understand why it would be different for them to lie about the strength of a mob family vs. for years to have denied it's (the mobs) very existence. I don't think government today is inherently more honest than it was back in Hoover's day.

@ivyleague


the Chicago crime commission ain't the fbi

someone who studies the fbi so diligently should know that

Who was your neighbor?

Their name wouldn't mean anything to you. Wasn't Chicago, and even in the town it was, the press never got wind of them. Googling their name results in zero hits.

However the two sons are both dead. One shot, I don't know what happened to the other one. From what I heard everyone else went to jail.

I lived in a sleepy little town that happened to have a horse racing track.

I've occasionally wondered if that's why they weed there; I don't really know, though.

My mom told us to stay way from them and we did for the most part but but my brother and I waited tables at the fancy Italian restaurant in town and they came in all the time so a little social interaction was inevitable.

My bro was also friends with the one who got shot from high school.

We know this because he has in depth/semi in depth information readily available on almost anyone you can think of off the top of your head.

I requested information on three little known guys & sure enough his info cleared with both of my sources. Plenty of others have requested similar info & have been met with similar results. Like him or not, the guy delivers. He said he was at the fundraiser for Infelice, and saw other top mafiosi making donations. One of my sources confirmed that this indeed happened. So chances are he was there & has regular contact with connected/semi connected individuals.

You, on the other hand, contribute Absolutely nothing whatsoever that cannot be found via the Google search function.

Not saying the guy is Joey Aiuppa, but I agree with HSA...anytime you ask the guy about someone he has a least a little bit of info on them. Unless he's totally pulling shit out of his ass, which doesn't really seem likely as his info isn't outlandish, seems like he knows what he's talking about.


Nonos...were you in IL at the time?

Not only will he provide info, it's usually pretty thorough & it's on guys that are barely traceable via Google. And I've triple checked several of the more shoddy/suspect things he's alluded to & turns out he was 100% correct.

Yeah yeah I know he & I must be in cahoots, or I'm on his nuts or whatever. Point is he knows what he's talking about regarding the Outfit & it's kinda foolish to suggest otherwise.

Arm, you need to help us with Fosco's picture! As far as I know, he still hasn't released any names.

I'm not going to say where I was, though it was a fairly amusing scenario. They lived in the condo that was adjacent to ours/above ours.

Once they got in a drunken brawl and things started flying off their porch past our window onto the lawn; the wife/mom came down and begged us not to call the cops.

Another time the cops were at our house for something and the office told us "You know those people who live next to you have no legal job on record."

Whether they were inspired by movies or the movies are accurate, they were straight out of the movies. Big gaudy sunglasses, gold chains, black trench coats and big black cars.

The uncle got drunk a few times and passed out on their patio furniture on their porch; we went out to get the paper in the morning and saw him sleeping there, dressed in all black.

The kid who got shot was actually just paralyzed, and died later of his wounds, like years later, from what I heard.

Eventually they moved to Vegas. Someone told me they all got arrested and the other son died, but I don't know of what. I think the dad may have died too.

Years later we saw the mom back in town working in the grocery store passing out food samples; my mom said she seemed extremely sad and broken hearted.

Man that does sound like its straight out of a movie, like pussy's wife in the sopranos. Well I guess that's the life in black and white.

Verifiable "in depth/semi in depth" information or simply his own opinion floated as insider information?



So he passed muster with your "sources" huh? Wow.



I'll take verifiable facts that can be found online, including Google, over speculation, rumor, and bullshit any day. But that's me.

What the hell are you blathering about? You're just stammering out of your ass now. The guy hasn't made up one shred of BS, nor has he made any outlandish claims, and if he has, please utilize the copy & paste function so that we all may see. If he has a personal opinion, he is always quick to point out that it is merely his own speculation & not to be confused with fact.

Just admit that this whiny bullshit is a product of your sour opinion of him, an opinion that is 100% rooted in the condescending, dismissive way in which he refers to you in these forums.

You need to get your head checked.