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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #762358
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5. No way that's Johnny Roselli. Just doesn't resemble him.
7. Don't think that's LaPietra either...not sure what year this pic is from, but this is a younger LaPietra and they don't seem to resemble one another.


http://www.angelfire.com/americangangland/lacosanostra/outfit/pics/lapietra.jpg


Anyone have a guess who the younger guy is to the left of the guy with the wet pants?

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I doubt that Ricca would go to an event in such a public place, especially with other Outfit members.


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Originally Posted By: Snakes
I doubt that Ricca would go to an event in such a public place, especially with other Outfit members.


I think this is a good point because Ricca was forbidden to associate with known gangsters ( yeah, we know how that works). But depending on the time, he was also facing deportation and IRS issues. So it would be plausible to think that he might want to avoid a gathering such as this. But who knows ?

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Originally Posted By: Snakes
I would just find it odd that Accardo is hanging out with Taylor Street guys (like Pranno) in the 1950's. Could be wrong.


Don't believe the bullshit on ANP about Taylor Street guys only being loyal to Giancana, not Accardo.

Have you seen Rocco Pranno? Here he is...I don't think there is any mistaking it. The guy smiling is him.


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Originally Posted By: JJB
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I would just find it odd that Accardo is hanging out with Taylor Street guys (like Pranno) in the 1950's. Could be wrong.


Totally agree. But a case might be made that it's predominantly Taylor:

1. Accardo (easy)
2. Torello (not Amato as we've presumed)
3. Ricca (not Cerone; I think Cerone's hair was darker at that time)
4. Pranno (as noted before, just to the right of JB, sitting on the table)
5. Roselli (not Nuccio; he was their Hollywood guy at the time, no? Perhaps he was in town for the occasion?)
6. Buccieri (not the guy you think is Fischetti; I'm grasping at straws here perhaps -- is Chuckie English a possibility?)
7. LaPietra (in the white hat)
8. Nappi (immediate foreground with shades and cigar; it would make sense and he does have a Fosco chin).

Constructive criticism is of course welcomed!


LaPietra definitely wouldn't be at the table with Accardo. He was just muscle for Fifi Buccieri at this point in time in the 1950s. Chuckie English also wouldn't be there as he was Giancana's guy.

I personally don't think Romi Nappi was as powerful as Fosco likes to lie about...I really think the guy in glasses is Ralph Pierce or Ross Prio.

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Originally Posted By: Snakes
I doubt that Ricca would go to an event in such a public place, especially with other Outfit members.


If Accardo was there, I would think Ricca would be too. Ricca was still using Giancana as his driver in the 1950s and didn't really start laying low until 1957 when the government attempted to deport him.

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The fact that the bald guy is grasping a beer lends credence to the fact that he is Jack Cerone lol.

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If Accardo was there, I would think Ricca would be too.


I suppose the same could be said about Cerone, too.

I've seen that picture of Pranno and thought the same but looking at other pictures of him, the guy smiling looks nothing like him. Who knows? I don't believe that Pranno was any higher on the totem pole at that time period than LaPietra was, either but you would know better than me.

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A few comments and questions:

Who is Rocco Pranno ?- you guys can save me some research time.

About what approx time did Ricca begin to have health issues?

Appreciate the 1957 date. I wasn't sure when the govt turned up the heat. I know Ricca went to prison in 59 and Accardo was "covered-up" with IRS problems. If I remember correctly, Ricca got out in the fall of 61 and Accardo's conviction was overturned in late 62, maybe. Not sure when Ricca started having health problems.

I can't find much on any big rivalry between Taylor St and other street crews. If you have info on this please direct me to the source. I also have seen very little about Ricca being totally involved with Taylor St. I would like to read or know more about this, but have not found any info. Doesn't indicate that it's not true, just saying I haven't found it.

One more thing: All this defiance that Taylor St had for Accardo is also not present in anything that I've read. It may be true, but I can't locate the source.

My info comes from reading books, research on Internet, email & telephone conversations with 3-4 people in Chicago. Oh, and you guys on this forum who are very knowledgable. I'm slowly learning who is credible and the others who infiltrate the site just to disrupt and cause problems.

No hidden agenda on my part. Just trying to get accurate info on an era in Chicago history that appeals to me.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
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I would just find it odd that Accardo is hanging out with Taylor Street guys (like Pranno) in the 1950's. Could be wrong.


Don't believe the bullshit on ANP about Taylor Street guys only being loyal to Giancana, not Accardo.

Have you seen Rocco Pranno? Here he is...I don't think there is any mistaking it. The guy smiling is him.


Looking at this picture its pretty clear that the smiling guy is him.

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For whatever it's worth...it does look like Pranno to me.


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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
A few comments and questions:

Who is Rocco Pranno ?- you guys can save me some research time.

About what approx time did Ricca begin to have health issues?

Appreciate the 1957 date. I wasn't sure when the govt turned up the heat. I know Ricca went to prison in 59 and Accardo was "covered-up" with IRS problems. If I remember correctly, Ricca got out in the fall of 61 and Accardo's conviction was overturned in late 62, maybe. Not sure when Ricca started having health problems.

I can't find much on any big rivalry between Taylor St and other street crews. If you have info on this please direct me to the source. I also have seen very little about Ricca being totally involved with Taylor St. I would like to read or know more about this, but have not found any info. Doesn't indicate that it's not true, just saying I haven't found it.

One more thing: All this defiance that Taylor St had for Accardo is also not present in anything that I've read. It may be true, but I can't locate the source.

My info comes from reading books, research on Internet, email & telephone conversations with 3-4 people in Chicago. Oh, and you guys on this forum who are very knowledgable. I'm slowly learning who is credible and the others who infiltrate the site just to disrupt and cause problems.

No hidden agenda on my part. Just trying to get accurate info on an era in Chicago history that appeals to me.


Pranno ran the West Side gambling rackets for Accardo, then Momo and then Battaglia. During Battaglia's reign, he went to prison and Joe "Shine" Amabile was put in his place, who was one of Pranno's main rivals. No idea what happened to Pranno following prison.

Also not sure when Rica's health problems began.

It was really a Joe Fosco and "The Don/ElmwoodParker" theory that there was this intense rivalry between the Taylor Street guys who ran with Giancana (Chuck English, Felix Alderisio, etc.) and the old Capone guys (Accardo, Ross Prio, etc.) While I'm sure there were rivalries and loyalties, I'm not sure it was nearly as wide-spread as these guys liked to talk about.

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Pranno had a great restaurant for years in Stone Park called "Pranno's D'Or"

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Pranno had a great restaurant for years in Stone Park called "Pranno's D'Or"


Thank you for all the info.

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This was the picture I was talking about. I guess it could still be him.


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Roselli about that time:

[img:center]http://stevenhager420.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/url1.gif?w=700[/img]

Wet pants might be Armando Fosco.

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Roselli was a bit older than that I wanna say. He would have been in his early fifties and he was operating more out of Vegas and So Cal than Chicago during that time period anyway.


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Agree with Chitown completely.

The Taylor St./ Grand Ave Rivalry was laced with mutual respect. It was a friendly rivalry at best. Joe Fosco is completely full of shit about a lot of things that he says for attention and to "Grind an axe" with certain people.

If Accardo said jump, Pranno would have asked him how high he should jump.

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Hello, new here. Was just wondering if anyone ever heard of Shot Gun Man? Hes from way back like from the 1920's He was a enforcer in Chicago before the mafia in Chicago was called the outfit. In his day it was called the Black Hand. He ran around the Cabrini Green area when it was still all Italian over there. Also has any one ever heard about the Billy Raneri kid naping that also happened in Chicago during the 1920's

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This is Queenie Simonelli from around 20 years later:


I think it's the guy others say is Rocco Pranno, and I'm not sure that the thumbnail allegedly of Pranno really is him; he doesn't look like the man in the press photos of Pranno such as the one above.

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That's a text version of the Burnstein graphic that has been floating around for a couple of years.


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Didn't realize it had been "floating around." I should have because it was dated. Decided to take it down.

Thanks for letting me know.

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For those interested, ANP has an interview up with the bookie he had on last week. A lot of interesting stuff and Outfit people discussed. Sounds like he may have worked for Hal Smith (the guy flattened by Infelise and crew).

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A lot of talk in the episode about a major bookie named Ron Sacco(who i've never heard of). Anyone know anything about him?

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Has Fosco announced yet who the guys in that photo were?

Just curious if he finally gave up the names and if anyone got all the names right.

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No, I don't think he has.

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They are talking about a famous guy from San Francisco--Ronald "The Cigar" Sacco.

Sacco was essentially the largest bookmaker in the U.S. and the guy who realized bets could legally be taken in Costa Rica from Americans. Unfortunately for Sacco, they used the phone and he was busted in something like a $1B betting ring in the early 90s. If you Google his name you find some things...supposedly Sacco was linked up through the Outfit hence why Chicago bookies knew who he was.

Sacco I think is the guy who started Costa Rica International Sports (CRIS) when he got out of jail.

No idea if he is still alive...he would probably be early 70s by now.

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Agreed!!! That was The Don and Black Angilo spewing that crap..
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I would just find it odd that Accardo is hanging out with Taylor Street guys (like Pranno) in the 1950's. Could be wrong.


Don't believe the bullshit on ANP about Taylor Street guys only being loyal to Giancana, not Accardo.

Have you seen Rocco Pranno? Here he is...I don't think there is any mistaking it. The guy smiling is him.


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I listened to it while hill walking on the Nordic Track

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This is Rocco Pranno smiling?

I hate to see what he looks like when I come up lame on the juice

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I don't think that's Pranno. He doesn't look like the guy in press photos or his mugshot.

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