he got caught on the ravenite tapes telling gotti he was made at age 23 so did some quick calcs probably 1956 meaning he was made by the madd hatter. there was that old guy from the westside he said he was made at age 18 in 1947 uncle joey think was his name. scarpa was made in 51 at age 22 23. and snake persico was made very young. gotti says on the wire jeez frank you were born made, with slite admiration. some hard word to spell the last line.