You don't have to take my word for it, look at the no less than 5 court cases over the past 20 years, the most recent one in which it was determined the only entity they could not lie to was the courts...Islamic Shura Council of S. Cal. v. FBI

Actually, he was asking Al Vena for permission to take out a couple of Outfit affiliated associates.

Oh delicious irony how I love thee.

Refute something I have claimed....I'm still waiting
I think you were one who doubted my word on the Elmwood park/Russian human trafficking connection...OOPS...check out the thread with the article on it,,,Ironic indeed...lol

Can I explain something TheArm? It's not WHAT you say that people take issue with, it's your ridiculous claims of being connected, and that, because of these (alleged) connections we should just take your word on whatever you say in lieu of any actual evidence... i.e. it is ironic because you are known around these parts as something of a hyperbolizer (and that's probably putting it nicely).

I'm sure you live in Chicago. And I'm sure you live somewhere where they might be some outfit presence. But cut the shit. You've never said anything anyone else couldn't find out for themselves through internet research. Further, you play coy about your identity while aggressively pushing the idea that you're a retired mob associate, which is just fucking stupid. What kind of 40+ year old retired criminal goes to online message boards about the topic of crime; to tell anyone who cares to see how mobbed up you are? I can't even...

Like... The hell, dude? I won't call into question your knowledge (although I would submit that many of your opinions are highly biased) as you do genuinely seem to know quite a bit, but come on. We're not stupid.

Ummm Nope. Wasnt me pal. Sorry to burst your bubble.

What I WILL and HAVE called into question is your absurd claims that Buffalo controls large parts of the midwest and that the 7 odd clans of the Hamilton/Toronto region are under its subservience.

You are the ONLY poster across many a board who would actually believe such absurdity

i love you

Whooooo.....it seems you have me confused with someone..I never made either one of those claims.
The only thing CLOSE to that is the FACT that Buffalo still has a presence in Hamilton, which they do.
Careful, your strawman is coming unstuffed

Son..alrady told you, what you beleive or don't belive is about as relivant to me the size of the pimple on your ass.
I have stated my backgound and my experince, feel free not to beleive it.

You're the guy who claims the Rockford family is ready to open the books and that you're here to tell us all about it online.

Who's the liar?



There's no contradiction. There wasn't any mention of the LCN in the Sarno indictment either but it didn't mean the feds weren't aware Sarno was the Outfit's acting boss.

You're looking for excuses to ignore the feds whenever you wish but it's not going to work.



When did they ever say this? Me thinks you pulled that line from the same fantasy world where your supposed mob background comes from.

Rockford has opend the books....and the FBI are the liars
Lets look at their reporting on Rockford since you brought it up

The family was extinct
Then the boss died (how can an extinct family have a boss?)
Then the boss was not really the boss, but an outfit associate (which was laughably wrong)
Then it was extinct again (ummm..ok)
Then it got a new boss( An extinct family got a newe boss?)

This is over the course of less than five years.
I gave other examples as well
Again...the FBI lies
They admit they lie
They went to court fior the right to lie
I have now given no less than 10 examples of when they lied
And you...never question them????

BTW...they made that staement about the Gambinos after the idictments of Marino,Orefice, Modica, Mnzella and the rest.
You must have missed that one

A: No, I didn't.
B: Yes, you did.

A: No, I didn't.
B: Yes, you did.

A: No, I didn't.
B: Yes, you did.



Two dogs with a bone. Which will stop tearing at the other first?

Maybe it's time to agree that you disagree. Or, at least, come up with new arguments for your point of view.

@ivyleague


regardless if the feds mentioned the mafia there still were recent federal indictments

according to you, that's how you judge a family's activities

not for nothing but "the arm" knew some shit about a town that nobody knows exist

so buddy knows somebody because what he knew is not public knowledge

I tried to do that 20 posts ago...I stand by my staements and the examples and evidence I gave...I agree..let the dead horses rest in peace

You can keep repeating this until you're blue in the face. Doesn't make it true and you're not fooling anyone here.



I've given plenty of examples of this before. William D'Elia was still referred to as the boss of the Bufalino family despite there being no formally structured family left. You could say the same about guys like LoScalzo in Tampa, Smaldone in Denver, or the late Peter Milano in LA.



Saladino being an Outfit associate is "laughably wrong" because you say so? And who exactly is the new boss?



The feds haven't recognized a formally structured, viable LCN family in Rockford in decades. This Rockford wet dream of your's (and certain other posters on these forums) comes from one place - the Nick Calabrese affidavit below.


http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/documents/threat%20assessment.pdf

Thank you...and thanks for being vague about exactly what I knew...LOL

I'm not sure what "shit" you're referring to but I have yet to see this guy offer anything more than demonstrably false claims and vague BS. But I can see why you would take to him. Birds of a feather...

The Feds lie...even you cant deny that in your efforts to appeal to autorityb using them......they lie..period
The same guy they called a Rockford Boss, the later called an outfit associate..it cant be both...sorry
Take SDs advice and let it go son

What I know was a name and a situatuation a hand full of people even know exist, and it was discussed privatly.
if you want to disclose who the hell you are and you want to exchange some knowledge in the same way..let me know...otherwise, it doesnt matter what you think or belive.
Keep "never Questioning" an organization who went to court for the right to lie...good luck with that

You and the feds have a whole lot in common the difference is theirs is a mistake well you're lying about yourself that shit is pretty weird but if it makes you feel better about yourself all the power to ya.

The Feds went to court for the right to lie...no mistakes were made
My background is what it is, you may feel free to choose not to beleive it

@ivyleague


it's interesting that u posted that fbi proffer or whatever the fuck it was

because calabrese gave the names of 60 made members of the outfit (i know some are dead)

according to you whatever the fbi says is gospel so maybe there's more than 28 members

the shit "the arm" knew means he either knows somebody or is in law enforcement (no disrespect intended)

One last thing for the record...I couldnt care less what that rat bastard Nick Calabrese said in his testamony..I know what I know about Rockfrd from my personal business (Legit) dealings, years of personal family relationshiops, and a really good fish fry at St Ambrogios, the best gravy in the Midwest at Marias, and Scotch at Tigers and beer and wings at Cappy's

New Orleans Crime Family is alive, The Feds have been lying the whole time!

If only...

"or is in law enforcement"

Bite your tongue...LOL

The 60 names of Outfit made members Calabrese provided to the FBI were obviously past and present. Because, by 2007, the figure the FBI was cited was 28.

This shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand unless they are looking for reasons to dismiss the 28 member figure because they don't like it.

And why do you keep talking up TheArm? The guy hasn't provided anything other than a whole lotta BS that clogs up this board. "I was in the ABC wars...blah blah blah...the feds lie...blah blah blah...Rockford is opening the books...blah blah blah...the feds lie...blah blah blah..."

Ivy I agree with u regarding the Chicago mob , but don't u think there is more than 28 ?? The Feds have prob downplayed the number somewhat , I bet there is at least 10 more . Unless you r in the know , how do u know there wasn't a making ceremony last night ?? U just don't know , most of it is heresay and guess work . People get a semblance of the truth through reading between the lines , however IVY u seem to be a knowledgable guy , I agree with the majority of things u say

Please.....stop regurgitating that Chicago BS. Why on Earth would anybody believe an 1/8th of the shit you say? Who talks about that online? Think about this.....even if what you say is true that means you are a DRY SNITCH! The only mafia in Chicago is the Latins & Blacks. Deal with it.

he probabaly mentioned me becuse he know s who I am and knows I know what I'm talking about...as opposed to you who "never questions the Fed"...even though the Fed admits freely that the lie on a regular basis....not sure why you have such a hard time getting your hands around that