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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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Okay Barrett, excellent question, and I will try & explain this fascinating situation as best I can:
During the Outfit's arguable peak (the Giancana period), it was ran as one family. Sure, it was much larger, & there were more crews than the current 5, but no matter what happened, Ricca/Giancana had a final say in pretty much everything that took place. This proved detrimental, obviously, to the Outfit's longevity & well being, so during the mid to late 70s, Aiuppa/Cerone/Accardo constructed a different type of system, one where each crew was separately insulated and an entity unto itself, a "family", if you will, with Cicero & Elmwood Park being the two heaviest of these families, and Grand Ave, Chinatown, & the Heights being the three sub families, which continues to this day. Aiuppa also implemented people he trusted at the head of each family. In doing this, he allowed the outfit much more breathing room and insulation. LaPietra, Lombardo, Cerone, etc were all technically beneath Aiuppa & his Cicero family, but ran their own crews as if they were separate families entirely. IE, if you were/are a Chinatown soldier, you have no business fraternizing with an Elmwood soldier. You deal with members of your own family & answer to your boss. Likewise, the boss of, say, Grand Ave doesn't have to get everything okd by the top boss. He controls is crew as if it were his own private family, obtains much more power/control/responsibility. Families were in turn almost encouraged to not associate with members of other families, very similar to the NY set up, obviously on a much smaller, more secretive scale. Hope that helps, any other questions, please ask.
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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Nothing is ever defunct in Vegas lol, especially these days with how gigantic it is, they're still out there. LA area as well as San Diego, and KC, MO, Cleveland, and I'm sure some guys rub elbows with ny & philly/ny guys, but that's nothing new. Outfit has always had heavy interests in Mexico, Caribbean, central America, and especially aruba and south America as well.
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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Well, he´s certainly an individual who´s got his facts wrong that´s for sure.
Rico, you are still not going to answer any of my questions are you? Being defensive does not help you in any way, I can tell you that. Why don´t you just admit that your sources are in fact crazy ideas popping up in your head while reading comic books and taking baths? You are living in a fantasy world, pretending to be a wiseguy who knows stuff about the outfit just because you "heard things on the street". It´s time to wake up and smell the coffey my friend. Get back to reality, get real and stop bullshitting about the outfit being an all mighty gang with pull throughout the US, Mexico, Carribean, Central America etc. You look like a fool.
One more thing. I hope I´m not hurting your feelings...but Giancana was a muppet!
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons. Supposedly Frank Nitti was boss after capone until his suicide apparently to avoid prison because he was claustrophobic . This is just my opinion...you can read in many Chi Outfit books or docs or what ever,that on the meetings Ricca always had the last word.I remember Chuck Giancana sayin in his book that even as kids they knew that Ricca was the real thing not Nitti,now why would he lie about that?!.My opinion is that Nitti was a front boss for the Chi commission.Ricca and Accardo were the young turks,takin over things at the time.One time Ricca went to jail and Accardo busted his ass of work to get Ricca out,so what does that tell ya?!
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons. Supposedly Frank Nitti was boss after capone until his suicide apparently to avoid prison because he was claustrophobic . This is just my opinion...you can read in many Chi Outfit books or docs or what ever,that on the meetings Ricca always had the last word.I remember Chuck Giancana sayin in his book that even as kids they knew that Ricca was the real thing not Nitti,now why would he lie about that?!.My opinion is that Nitti was a front boss for the Chi commission.Ricca and Accardo were the young turks,takin over things at the time.One time Ricca went to jail and Accardo busted his ass of work to get Ricca out,so what does that tell ya?! I like how you start off by saying it's your opinion then present it as fact . Anyway...you're probably right i barely know anything about Chicago haven't read any books on them. I probably hearrd that in a cheesy documentary
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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Toodoped no offense pal you seem like a nice guy but you're completely lost Yes camarel nitti certainly became boss after capone left, and was really the top guy during capones last few years. Nitti was really a very intelligent, rational guy, and I believe would have became the long reigning boss with Ricca by his side. Ricca said he learned a lot of his aesthetics from Nitti. But like you said, the can was just too much for him, and he would have rather died than flipped, Chicago style No Accardo was never, ever on the level of Ricca haha, and they were never young turks together. Accardo was a mid level level Taylor street guy that moved up to the Patch (grand ave) during the prime of Taylor st & Giancana/Ricca's 42 Gang. It then became Taylor St. vs Grand Ave during that period back then, with Accardo/Cerone heading Grand Ave (the weaker crew) & Giancana/Ricca controlling Taylor st, which was the absolutely powerhouse. Giancana was Paul's protege, and Jackie Cerone was Accardo's. There was a ton of hate on Grand Ave & Cicero back then because they were the two weakest crews, and it ended coming back to bite Sam in the ass when he came home, as Aiuppa's Cicero had ironically become the dominant crew in a very short period of time (joey o was one power hungry guy). Things changed rather quickly & drastically when Giancana went away & Aiuppa was free to place his trusted Cicero guys where old Taylor st guys previously sat pretty. Chinatown is a prime example of that. Hope that helps. Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha
Last edited by ricobenes; 11/28/12 05:17 PM.
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