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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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01/06/14 01:34 AM
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I actually put this exact thread in a different forum but it was dead. I barely got any replies. More people can see it if I put it on this forum. Thank you.
That doesn't determine in which forum this should be posted. This subject has nothing to do with organized crime and it is being moved to the General Discussion forum.
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians
[Re: SC]
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01/06/14 01:51 PM
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Keep in mind that "Italy" was not officially a country until the mid 1800's. That is why the people in Milano and Torino look and speak differently than people in Napoli. Presently there is a move on for these northern areas to secede from Italy because their industrial wealth subzidizes the South.
Sicily, as someone noted was invaded over and over by the Spanish, the Arabs, and even the Normans, and because it is an island the people there took on characteristics distinct from those on the mainland. Even their dialect is different. The most pronounced difference is that vowels at the end of works gets dropped, hence "prosciutto" becomes "prozhut" and "mozzerella" becomes "mozzerell."
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: MaryCas]
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01/06/14 02:46 PM
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Aww thanks MC. Love you too. Speaking of pizza, when I was young my mom always made her own pizza (and bread) from scratch. It wasn't until high school at some point that I had take-out pizza while at a friends house. I was shocked at how thin the crust was. What, and nobody wanted anchovies on it? WTF. We always had anchovies on pizza. LOL Don't know if thick crust/thin crust is a a Northern/Southern Italy tradition OR more an American thing. TIS
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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01/06/14 05:40 PM
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There have been some that actually consider Sicilian a whole different language rather than a dialect. It has the influence of so many different cultures, Norman, Arab, Greek, and so on, that it can be very different than what it spoken in Rome, for example.
As carmela has correctly pointed out, however, the more recent generations have been losing that and been mainstreamed. It's sort of sad, IMO.
I think that DeNiro's Sicilian in GF2 was probably as close as we're ever going to hear on the big screen, especially here in the US.
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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01/07/14 01:14 PM
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I read about that online about the Normans invading most of southern Italy. But like I said, personally I haven't seen that much of a difference at all when comparing most southern italian regions. There aren't many regional dialects anymore because everyone is speaking proper italian now like Carm said. There's not such huge differences in the south. From the north to the south, you had big differences in education, where the northerners were better educated and willing to move with the times, and sicilians were/are old souls refusing to change for as long as they can. With sicilians, if it's black and they think it's white, it's white. Save your breath. The dialects... if you speak sicilian dialect, you'll never understand neapolitan dialect. They're not even close. But calabrian is pretty close to sicilian. The food...south is by the ports so you'll have a lot more fish as a food staple obviously, not so in the north. They cook very differently, a lot of cream based sauces and such in the north; usually you can tell what region one is from just by what they like as far as food goes. As far as the language, when we're there, it's not like we're touring around, so it's just us and family and more family and more family, so it's pretty much: the beach, conversation, and food. So there's nothing else to do but converse, and listen to how people talk. Don't get me wrong, they are still speaking dialect. Us and all the cousins in the 20's, 30's and 40's, still speak dialect with the older generations and between one another. But all the kids being born now, the parents are sure to speak proper to them, so they hear Italian growing up in the house just as much as sicilian. It also makes a big difference that kids in Sicily are staying in school, where they do learn proper Italian, and carrying on schooling, up into college. When years ago, girls dropped out in 5th grade to stay home and help the mothers, and boys dropped out to help work...nobody was learning much of anything, except what was taught to them by their parents in the home. I can't speak proper, only dialect, but when I go there now, they tell me I should learn and get away from the dialect. Yeah. That's gonna happen. When we visit there, they say, "you speaky EEEtaly." When they come to the US to visit, they say, "you speaky EEEtaly." Either way, they never have to "speaky american". Hard headed stubborn sicilians...lose/lose. lol
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: carmela]
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01/07/14 01:26 PM
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My father still owns property in Lauropoli, Cosenza, Calabria. And being that I've spent a great deal of time there, that's how I self-identify when it comes to my ancestry (not my nationality; I'm clearly American). But we've visited my mother's side in Basilicata many times and I've never had a problem understanding the regional dialect. But then again, Basilicata is just north of Calabria, soooo.... Oh, and when we visit Sicily, we get by just fine. Especially in the coastal region on the western ports. The language differences there are minimal when compared to Calabrese. Messina ain't all that far from Reggio .
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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01/08/14 03:46 PM
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My father still owns property in Lauropoli, Cosenza, Calabria. And being that I've spent a great deal of time there, that's how I self-identify when it comes to my ancestry (not my nationality; I'm clearly American). But we've visited my mother's side in Basilicata many times and I've never had a problem understanding the regional dialect. But then again, Basilicata is just north of Calabria, soooo.... Oh, and when we visit Sicily, we get by just fine. Especially in the coastal region on the western ports. The language differences there are minimal when compared to Calabrese. Messina ain't all that far from Reggio . I'm mostly sicilian and I have a little bit of I think naepolitan or calabrese in me. I don't remember which one exactly I'll have to ask my father.
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: olivant]
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01/08/14 06:11 PM
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Madonne! PB. You're calabrese? No, I'm American. But unlike you, I don't have an identity crisis which leads me to get sentimental about a country that I've never even seen (I'm just assuming that, like most "Italian Americans," you've never even set foot in the country. And even if you did, it was probably on a Perillo Tour). Furthermore, I've been there a dozen times, and one of those times was for eighteen straight months. But I'm still not delusional enough to think that the Italians over there thought of me as a fellow Italian. I was the American cousin then, and I'm the American cousin now. But keep throwing out the word "Madonne!" every third post you make. Maybe they'll think you're one of their own . I have an unusually large penis. But Mrs. Pizzaboy has learned to live with it.
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Re: Difference between Sicilians and Italians?
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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01/09/14 12:52 AM
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Olivant, Pizzaboy sounds like something disagreeable landed on his abeetz tonight, or is it my imagination?? Marone and doozy bots. But you're right!
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