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A must read ...Fino spills it all
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12/30/13 01:26 PM
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Fino is a rat bastard, but his book has lot of up till now...little known information For those skeptics who doubt the Families former strangle hold on the LIUNA locals, and influence in places like Ohio, Pa, and Vegas, and want more info on Rochester and the ABC wars, this is a must read. http://www.wivb.com/news/buffalo/mob-connected-union-leader-pens-book
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Been there and done it I am very much for real, so if you ask, make sure you really want to know.
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
[Re: TheArm]
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12/30/13 10:56 PM
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Old News...I know Ron, have spoken with him many times, his daughter lives down the street from me. His inside knowledge has been gone for sometime now, he cooperated going back to the 1970's, but hasn't had union connections and inside info for many years. He is an odd duck as well, supposedly worked undercover for the government overseas in Russia, China and other countries. In my many conversations with him for the project I've been working on, his "concrete" intelligence got cut off in the late 1980' to the early 1990's. Any up to date intel he claims to have is second hand, no direct knowledge which makes a big difference. Just throwing that out there to chew on.
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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12/31/13 11:20 AM
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Old News...I know Ron, have spoken with him many times, his daughter lives down the street from me. His inside knowledge has been gone for sometime now, he cooperated going back to the 1970's, but hasn't had union connections and inside info for many years. He is an odd duck as well, supposedly worked undercover for the government overseas in Russia, China and other countries. In my many conversations with him for the project I've been working on, his "concrete" intelligence got cut off in the late 1980' to the early 1990's. Any up to date intel he claims to have is second hand, no direct knowledge which makes a big difference. Just throwing that out there to chew on. It old news to you and I, but not to the general public. I hate that this cock sucker is going to profit from this, but i'm glad this will be out in the open so people can see what a snivling prick he is. Few people realize that although the Teamsters are a huge vessel for LCN, LIUNA was as big or bigger. I personally used the now defunked local 442 like a cross between and ATM and a short term loan joint. Oh and next time you talk to Ron, ell him he's a POS were this another time and place, I would take great pleasure in covering the hole he was in myself. Those who asked about the Rochester connection, no matter what the FBI or the Upstate NY media tells you, and no matter what you read in internet forums, both Fiorino and Scialino were casualties of the ABC wars, and what is seldom if ever mentioned in the connection of of the LIUNA locals from Chicago to Yonkers in not only the ABC wars, but so many other moves and scams, a lot of which were centered in Upstate NY.
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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12/31/13 11:24 AM
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I would love someone to do a decent book on the Rochester mob The problem with making Rochester as the center of the story is that is it a story of a failed(yes, failed)attempt to split from Buffalo. That's the story, not the Rochester crew themselves. I am working on a book that spans from 1960 to 2008, with an epilogue that spans to the present day. I hope to get it published by 2016
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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12/31/13 11:57 AM
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The problem with making Rochester as the center of the story is that is it a story of a failed(yes, failed)attempt to split from Buffalo.
Why failed? Didn't they switch their alliance to Pittsburgh later? This is why it was called the A, B and C wars. Pittsburgh was the primary ally of "The "B team" who fought for a separate Rochester family which would have close ties to Pittsburgh. Frank Velante was at one time in fact, a made member of the Pittsburgh family. But make no mistake, the A-B-C war itself lasted roughly from 1970 to 1982, with early skirmishes as early as 1964, and the collateral battles until around 1990, at NO time did Rochester ever fully sever from Buffalo. Yes you will see "Rochester family" used everywhere from forums like this to Wikipedia, even the FBI has used the term. But unless you count a faction who was continuously under siege who never got their hands on 90% of the cash flow as a "family", it never existed.
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
[Re: TheArm]
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12/31/13 01:49 PM
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The problem with making Rochester as the center of the story is that is it a story of a failed(yes, failed)attempt to split from Buffalo.
Why failed? Didn't they switch their alliance to Pittsburgh later? This is why it was called the A, B and C wars. Pittsburgh was the primary ally of "The "B team" who fought for a separate Rochester family which would have close ties to Pittsburgh. Frank Velante was at one time in fact, a made member of the Pittsburgh family. But make no mistake, the A-B-C war itself lasted roughly from 1970 to 1982, with early skirmishes as early as 1964, and the collateral battles until around 1990, at NO time did Rochester ever fully sever from Buffalo. Yes you will see "Rochester family" used everywhere from forums like this to Wikipedia, even the FBI has used the term. But unless you count a faction who was continuously under siege who never got their hands on 90% of the cash flow as a "family", it never existed. whats up with Tommy MArrota ? IS this guy a clown?
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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The problem with making Rochester as the center of the story is that is it a story of a failed(yes, failed)attempt to split from Buffalo.
Why failed? Didn't they switch their alliance to Pittsburgh later? This is why it was called the A, B and C wars. Pittsburgh was the primary ally of "The "B team" who fought for a separate Rochester family which would have close ties to Pittsburgh. Frank Velante was at one time in fact, a made member of the Pittsburgh family. But make no mistake, the A-B-C war itself lasted roughly from 1970 to 1982, with early skirmishes as early as 1964, and the collateral battles until around 1990, at NO time did Rochester ever fully sever from Buffalo. Yes you will see "Rochester family" used everywhere from forums like this to Wikipedia, even the FBI has used the term. But unless you count a faction who was continuously under siege who never got their hands on 90% of the cash flow as a "family", it never existed. whats up with Tommy MArrota ? IS this guy a clown? Marotta is and always was a lowlife drug addicted loser, but a lucky one. Dominic Taddeo tried to take him out twice and failed both times He and his road buddy Tony Masracco were two of the biggest jagoffs in the history of the LCN
Been there and done it I am very much for real, so if you ask, make sure you really want to know.
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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12/31/13 04:20 PM
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Contrary to what people think, mob books don't make that much money. I have been a part of 5 books published on organized crime in the Cleveland/Youngstown area and unless a book makes the NY Times best seller list, they are "barely" profitable unless somebody like John Gotti is writing it and gets an advance. Ask Scott Burnstein, Allan May, Scott Deitsche...not much profit for all the hard work and years of researching. YEah its a labor of love.I am sure rick porello made a few bucks on his movie rights to the Irishman unless he just got a flat fee. TO bad that didn't have a high budget could of been a great movie.
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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But unless you count a faction who was continuously under siege who never got their hands on 90% of the cash flow as a "family", it never existed. But in this case why did they have an underboss, consigliere etc like a separate family? If it was just a part of the Buffalo family, shouldn't they have been headed by a capo?
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Re: A must read ...Fino spills it all
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But unless you count a faction who was continuously under siege who never got their hands on 90% of the cash flow as a "family", it never existed. But in this case why did they have an underboss, consigliere etc like a separate family? If it was just a part of the Buffalo family, shouldn't they have been headed by a capo? It was for years, but in case you were unawre, there was a war fought over this issue. Yes they claimed a Boss, underboss and a full family structure for several years, until they accepted they were outgunned, outsmarted and would never be recognized as a "family" by Buffalo or the commission. The ABC war then led to might just be the longest internal war in the history of the LCN. If you count the early skirmishes and end it at the time of the fall of the Bretti crew and the Indictments of most of the Falange crew, it ran from 1964 to 1992
Been there and done it I am very much for real, so if you ask, make sure you really want to know.
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