so who demoted turchi? I read he was made under stanfa in the city paper. he was on parole for a long time to. he was close to natale so was all those guys wasn't ralph joeys step dad or some shit. also read mousie was made by stanfa in 92. so if not for stanfa making joey and these guys there wouldn't be a lot of people. that's why I don't believe privite all these guys had ceromys he didn't. and did veasey say he got made or was it another lie the g men told him to tell the jury. I don't think veavey horsehead or privite got really made they all lied I think. the kid vella told some many lies, he got crushed on the stand he lied about getting made, and is out now.