Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: JCB1977
I appreciate all of your enthusiasm on the topic and we could all argue all day about Detroit, Buffalo, KC...but let's focus on the original topic.

Ivy League, I've always respected your opinion and overall knowledge on LCN nationwide and I agree about Detroit...but I'm sure out of the former families I listed, you will provide a well thought out, plausible case for the strongest defunct family.

Domwoods, Ivy League is 100% spot on in regards to remnants of now defunct families. My thread is specific to who the Federal Government considers defunct.


I think it's futile for people to come up with their own definitions of what is considered a viable family. That simply leads to people arguing over every family that has a single member still breathing. I tend to go with those families the feds recognize - the 5 NY families, New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, Chicago, and maybe Detroit.

If people want to include Detroit on the list of families still viable, then I would say Buffalo is the answer to your original question since that family seems to be no longer recognized by the feds.

If you don't want me to include Buffalo either, but only look at those families you specifically listed, there really isn't one that stands out among the others. There are some that obviously wouldn't be in the running - Denver, San Francisco, San Jose. I wouldn't include Rochester, Rockford, and certainly not Des Moines either. And not even Milwaukee, St. Louis, or Los Angeles.

So, by process of elimination that leaves Pittsburgh, NE Pennsylvania, Cleveland, Kansas City, New Orleans, and Tampa. I think a good argument could be made for any of these.


Please stop with your misenformation campaign
The FBI clearly says the Detroit family is viable
I quote the head of the FBI organized crime unit
"they are still a very viable family, they are cloaking themselves in legitatment business , now more than ever, but im not saying there doing legitament business"-Lou Fischetti(FBI organized crime unit

Keith corbett federal prosecutor in detroit in 2009
Theres no reason to beleive there's been a sedation in there activities that have generated income for them over the last 100 years"

I'll quote FBI.gov
"the LCN is most active in the the new York metropolitan area,Parts of new jersey , philadelphia,Detroit, Chicago and new England. It has members in other major cities and is involved in international crime"

But to the actually defunct families in the late 80s it would have been Pittsburgh ,
In the golden age of the mid 50s It would be between Cleveland, KC,Pittsburgh, Wilkes barre and new Orleans. Because of the size of the family being about 50 members and the wide and varied interests that they had not just in Cleveland but Akron , Trumball and Youngstown, Ohio. They owned the Desert Inn in Las Vegas with Kleinman and Dalitz and they were a major player in the teamsters not just locally but nationally through William presser and because of this the Cleveland LCN Family was the strongest family In that Golden Age of the mid 50s

Last edited by Louiebynochi; 12/29/13 08:04 PM.

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