Sam Cecola? Also interesting he specifically mentions Elmwood Park in the recordings the feds got on him. Reminds me a little of when that Motorcycle gang member was running around talking about killing Joey O to take over the Outfit's rackets. Didn't end well for him.


Interesting the article quotes "balls to the wall" when referring to him fighting the Outfit...which means there are more discussions on tape that the feds haven't released yet.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/24617...ld-he-kill.html

Interesting but unless more comes out I would assume he was just b#llsh#tting. It also seems he is potentially completely insane/serial killer type.

From reading it its not really an outfit plot, the intended victims were going to be outfit guys though.This was part of this guys kidnapping extortion schemes, they had another intended target too who i don't think was outfit connected. I do think he has a history with the chicago underworld whilst as corrupt cop and later on as just a criminal which is probably how he came to choose these victims.

No, totally agree....I meant plot AGAINST the Outfit strip club owner. Interesting. And Nonos I agree....seems like he may have been a serial killer type, though I do think he had underworld ties as Scorsese mentioned. Or even the guys back in the 70s in NYC who were kidnapping gangsters and holding them for ransom.

Anyone hazard any guesses who the "strong guy" is?

Is he trying to say he is worser than the elmwood park crew?

I think he meant to imply that he was connected to Elmwood Park, but you could be right.

Yeah especially being a crooked cop, I'm sure he knew everyone.

Interesting I took it to mean he was scarier than EP...but now that you mention it I can see this interpretation as well. I'd like to see the rest of the conversation to give it some context.

New details come out.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-...nthony-quaranta

Any thoughts ChiTown? Weird...the writers seem to imply that Mandell was working as muscle for Elmwood Park...yet the guys he threatens seem to have ties to one crew or another themselves.

Yeah very interesting and confusing...Tony Q is an Outfit guy and I am assuming this writer somewhat misrepresented Mandell working for the Elmwood Park crew. Or perhaps, it shows that Outfit crews are no longer staying out of other crews territories and are actively competing.

I really don't know anything about Mandell or Manning before he changed his name.

What crew is quarantana affiliated with?

The untold part of this story is Mandells ties to the Russian/Polish human trafficing trade, which have fed these strip clubs with dancers for years. He worked with this POS Lituanian who is knownn as as "Alex" who can still be seen holding court at Grand Dukes on N harlem in Summit on any given Saturday night.

So what's your take...Mandell acting as muscle for Elmwood or did the writers misinterpret his words?

I think he was acting on behalf of Elmwood park because there has always been ties between the elmwood park crew and the Russians and between the Russians and Mandell. The Russians have never made a secret of the fact that they have wanted to control the adult industry in Chicago, and if a deal could have been brokerd with the elmwood crew, it could be very lucerative.

That's some inside information. The Russians haha. Fuck I heard it was the Columbians!

Oh hi Chitown..still trying tio BS your way through huh?
If you dont know about the Elmwood park/Russian/Adult industry connection in Cook County...go find a knitting site or something, becuse you have no business on a siteb like this talking about Chicago.
There is also a Rosemont/Country Club Hills componernet here too, but a fake like you would have no clue, so i'll save it for another thread.
Now go get your fucking knitting needles

Arm--Who do you believe are #1 #2 and #3 in the Outfit today?

Hey Arm I'm gonna start typin' to ya in street lingo since you are such a wiseguy on Chicago

Name one current soldier on the street in Elmwood Park. Who runs that crew and who are the hitters if you know so much?

You can't go back and read my previous posts either because I haven't talked about too many guys out there...you are on your own kid

Ive read the nonsense you post, and it is the nonsense I chuckle at when I hear 25 and 30 year old kids taking bullshit at the Sports page in Prospect heights on a Sunday during football season , becuse they had an unjcle who was half assed connected in 1972.
You wanna quiz ME punk?
Don't make me laugh
Elmwood park in 65% legit in Real estate, and 20% Russian these days, if you knew WTF you were talking about you would know that.(I DARE you to deny that)
You want names? I have a policy son and if you have read my stuff you would know it. I don't name names that have not been adjudicated bt either the press of law enforcement, and in order to educate you I would have to break that rule. Do what you dom best, get half assed false info and make it up as you go along.
Now...didnt I tell you to get your fucking knitting needles???

This is a trick question right?
In case it's not..let me fill you in...that structure no longer exists
DiFronzo
The order after that is fuzzy at best...The Spinas, Vena, anyone who claims to know for sure who would post on a site like this is full of shit.

@thearm


i wanna hear about the rosemont/cchills connections

you ain't gotta name names but just the gist of the situation

Underground " Adult clubs" that operate on the fringes of legality.
The guy who operates in Rosemont used to operate out of Wheeling,is juiced in from genertions ago and made street tax free arrangements with Elmowood park, Rosemont and Cicero from the get go, so he gets left alone. The Rosemont police hassled him once, but somehow that went away. (Funny how that goes) The guy in CC Hills is a non practicing lawyer who has the Russians hands in one pocket and South side guys hands in the other. He has a brick and mortor location and actually had to take to renting it out when he was not using it to make his juice payments.

Well here's our answer Jonny....article says Mandell met with the informant and was introduced by other "mobsters" at La Scarola.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-murder-plot-trial-steve-mandell-to-testify-20140211,0,4200694.story

Btw...bet Albie Vena is quite happy to have passed on letting Mandell flatten Stavropoulos. Its going to keep him from going to jail for the rest of his life.

Vena & Mandell (Manning) are childhood buddies. Mandell is a schemer & Vena was most likely just humouring him. Either way, they didn't have Vena on tape, just Mandell's word.

Regarding Outfit leadership, outside of DiFronzo (if you'd like to believe it), Solly D & Toots Caruso are the only other two that we can say for sure are at the top of the food chain. Jimmy I & Cataudella are still pure speculation.

There is nothing that would lead anyone to believe that Al Vena & Chris Spina are in any type of authoritative positions in regards to the Outfit as a whole. They are members of the paltriest of the four crews.

He seems like a schemer. To me, the transcripts sound like him trying to look like a big shot to Michael.

I would assume that Stavropoulos belongs to Cicero...why would Vena back these two goofs?

DiFronzo operates exactly like Accardo did years ago. He can never be counted out as insignificant.

Vena is the Capo of the Grand Ave Crew and I agree it is the smallest of the 4 Crews.

Cataudella is under Solly D.

The Greek & the Polekatz establishment belong to the Chinatown people if I'm not mistaken. That place is a shady & seedy as it gets.

Mandell is connected to Grand Ave Crew, he grew up in the Patch with many of those fellas & was a cop on their payroll for quite a while. He is well liked by those guys but is looked at as a nut that should be kept at arm's length. But this recent scheme just seems like something he was doing on his own time.

Well I don't buy that Tony Accardo was as powerful as he was alleged to be in the later days. For example, I don't believe Carlisi, Joe Nick, etc gave a shit what Accardo or Elmwood Park thought or said during the 80s. They didn't have accardo's governmental/political connections, but they had more men & controlled more street rackets than Elmwood Park. Why would they give a shit what some old geezer who headed up a weaker crew wanted?

I put DiFronzo in the same boat.

Seems like this would be more of a reason for Vena telling him to cool his jets than anything else....assuming Mandell's version of his conversation with him is the truth.

I believe your assessment of Accardo in the 1980's and DiFronzo in the present are not accurate. However, I respect your opinion. The Outfit was not a competition between Crews. Each Crew was strong and vital in their own way.