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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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I wonder if he pulled a Carlos gambling and named a boss on his death bed, and this also puts the bananos back in play It really doesn't. The Bonanno's are really struggling, look what happened when Sal Montagna tried to take over. yeah this was crazy, did anyone from NY even consider doing anything about that? they just dumped montagna in the river like a bag of garbage seemingly without fear of retaliation
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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I wonder if he pulled a Carlos gambling and named a boss on his death bed, and this also puts the bananos back in play It really doesn't. The Bonanno's are really struggling, look what happened when Sal Montagna tried to take over. yeah this was crazy, did anyone from NY even consider doing anything about that? they just dumped montagna in the river like a bag of garbage seemingly without fear of retaliation Montagna was attempting to take over territory that was controlled by other mafiosi, he got what was coming to him. the Bonanno's would've be wrong to retaliate, the murder was justified. They were in no position to retaliate anyway, pretty much all of there top guys are dead or in prison. Under Massino it might have been a different story, but the family is in real bad shape.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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caught me by surprise. this is huge for the Canadian underworld. we will be speculating for weeks..
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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just a thought, somebody needs to get a list or chart of the Mafiosi in his Rizzuto's organization so we havean idea whats next
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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Quoting "Felice" from RealDeal,guy has a lot of knowledge:
the montreal family was/is actually under the gambinos now, not more bonannos. sicilian guys in montreal answer to caruana-[BadWord]-rizzuto group. paolo was the most ambitious one, the one who wouldn't tell no if appointed as boss. 3-4 years ago he was viewed as the one who was going to manage links between ny,sicily,canada and venezuela. if he's still alive, he's the man who's going to take over. i think he lives in woodbridge now.
anyway let's see what's gonna happen. i already wrote months ago what i was told. a large part of the crime system in montreal was tired to give tons of money to the old men (rizzuto and renda), thinking they were weak they stopped to do that and they later killed them. it's supposed these guys had the siderno group from toronto behind them. there was a contact between the gambinos and the siderno group because vito asked that to the gambinos. so it seems the siderno group gave up. when he got back in canada vito ordered more than 10 murders, some guys still have a contract on their life.
If this is true,Gambinos will be most powerful family in US,with their Sicilian Leadership they gained a lot of influence.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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Quoting "Felice" from RealDeal,guy has a lot of knowledge:
the montreal family was/is actually under the gambinos now, not more bonannos. sicilian guys in montreal answer to caruana-[BadWord]-rizzuto group. paolo was the most ambitious one, the one who wouldn't tell no if appointed as boss. 3-4 years ago he was viewed as the one who was going to manage links between ny,sicily,canada and venezuela. if he's still alive, he's the man who's going to take over. i think he lives in woodbridge now.
anyway let's see what's gonna happen. i already wrote months ago what i was told. a large part of the crime system in montreal was tired to give tons of money to the old men (rizzuto and renda), thinking they were weak they stopped to do that and they later killed them. it's supposed these guys had the siderno group from toronto behind them. there was a contact between the gambinos and the siderno group because vito asked that to the gambinos. so it seems the siderno group gave up. when he got back in canada vito ordered more than 10 murders, some guys still have a contract on their life.
If this is true,Gambinos will be most powerful family in US,with their Sicilian Leadership they gained a lot of influence. I don't understand how the Feds wouldn't know about Montreal being under the Gambino's. I call bullshit.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
[Re: TommyGambino]
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12/23/13 08:04 PM
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So much for Vito being invincible. No one is invincible to lung cancer. Didn't see this coming though...  This does mean the unheaval is not quite over yet.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
[Re: domwoods74]
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Wow guys when I saw this I was taken back, the King of the Volcano is dead, RIP Don Vito
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
[Re: RollinBones]
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yeah this was crazy, did anyone from NY even consider doing anything about that? they just dumped montagna in the river like a bag of garbage seemingly without fear of retaliation Wasn't anything they could do. Vito was way more powerful as a boss AND family compared to NY. They didn't dump Montagna in the river, he actually ran and jumped into the river himself after the Di Maulo/Desjardins faction turned on him whom was NOT affiliated with Vito anymore. Desjardins and Magi both are thanking God for what happened today. And for his cause of death, they keep saying a heart issue or lung. If it wasn't cancer, it really sounds like pneumonia. Unless he got diagnosed in the past 2-3 months with the cancer I just don't buy it yet.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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So your saying he knew he was gonna die had a meeting with his enemies agreeing to give them control once he had gone ?? But all he wanted was to avenge his father and sons death ???? Sounds plausible domwoods74: I think you were asking me for a response. I was quoting James Dubro. In part he was postulating that if Rizzuto had previously told the Quebec government's Charbonneau Commission inquiry (CEIC) chair and lawyers about a terminal ailment, Rizzuto would have gotten the CEIC to lay off him with regard to testifying. There are discrepant reports about whether Rizzuto was subpoenaed or not, whether he was going to have to testify in 2014, etc. Elsewhere, Dubro has argued that Rizzuto should have been forced, as a hostile witness, to give testimony; that a reticent Rizzuto at the CEIC would definitely have earned a contempt charge that would have seen him go to to jail for about a year -- I agree that he probably would have seen prison time if he was forced to give testimony at the CEIC and then clammed up. The murders of Fernandez and Pimentel in Casteldaccia (Palermo) may have also come to haunt Rizzuto had he lived, as the Italian authorities already had evidence that a Montreal-area lawyer was in communication with some of Fernandez and Pimentel's killers and because there have already been two pentiti in the Bagheria cosca since the murders that took place this past April came to light the following month (May 2013).
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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This last year has been so crazy in Montreal. It really was way more interesting then any other story period in the last year. The last few years even would make an awesome movie with everything that's been going on.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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12/24/13 09:06 AM
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This is for the uneducated. And the NY fanboys in general.
Montreal is not 'under' anyone.
Does anyone really think that a 100mil drug and construction pipeline/industry is under 180 odd (on the street) THIRD generation Italian American shy/bookmaking/semi drug dealing brooklynites who've never been outside of the boroughs?
Seriously.
Just because Cali has relatives and connections in Italy, the Gambinos now control a 100mil drug pipeline into Montreal?
You guys are dreaming.
NY IS NY.
Can fanboys stop attaching NY to anything outside. Because NY IS NOT GLOBAL.
Frank Cali and his cousins aside. Montreal did, and does, and will not pay hide nor hare to what any NY goodfella says or does.
The talk of 'under the Gambinos or Bonnanos' is seriously beyond a joke.
Until the Gambinos send 400 guys to Toronto and Montreal to lay down the law. Canada pays zero. And I mean zero, heed.
The Calabrian clans in Toronto will now determine in consultation with Italy who will replace Vito. Vito's son will NOT be considered as he is a citizen. The Rizzuto reign is over, as is the Sicilian reign. The calabrians now have the power on Toronto and will install a pseudo puppet in Montreal.
Montreal is effectively broken and now an extension of the Calabrian clans (who do you think controls the coke?)
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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This is for the uneducated. And the NY fanboys in general.
Montreal is not 'under' anyone.
Does anyone really think that a 100mil drug and construction pipeline/industry is under 180 odd (on the street) THIRD generation Italian American shy/bookmaking/semi drug dealing brooklynites who've never been outside of the boroughs?
Seriously.
Just because Cali has relatives and connections in Italy, the Gambinos now control a 100mil drug pipeline into Montreal?
You guys are dreaming.
NY IS NY.
Can fanboys stop attaching NY to anything outside. Because NY IS NOT GLOBAL.
Frank Cali and his cousins aside. Montreal did, and does, and will not pay hide nor hare to what any NY goodfella says or does.
The talk of 'under the Gambinos or Bonnanos' is seriously beyond a joke.
Until the Gambinos send 400 guys to Toronto and Montreal to lay down the law. Canada pays zero. And I mean zero, heed.
The Calabrian clans in Toronto will now determine in consultation with Italy who will replace Vito. Vito's son will NOT be considered as he is a citizen. The Rizzuto reign is over, as is the Sicilian reign. The calabrians now have the power on Toronto and will install a pseudo puppet in Montreal.
Montreal is effectively broken and now an extension of the Calabrian clans (who do you think controls the coke?) Well said.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
[Re: domwoods74]
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12/24/13 09:53 AM
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Gambino Family is nothing compared to Montreal,they can't control them ofcourse,but they can support them or have something to do with situation up there,i said it is possible,not that is 100% true.
Sicilian reign over? I wouldn't think so([BadWord]-Caruana,Arcadi).Sure the Calabrian Clans will have big influence in selection of new boss,but i don't think they will take over Montreal.
But you can't know,same as i don't know,we are all here to discuss and speculate.
Last edited by Strax; 12/24/13 09:55 AM.
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Re: Vito rizzuto dead
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This is for the uneducated. And the NY fanboys in general.
Montreal is not 'under' anyone.
Does anyone really think that a 100mil drug and construction pipeline/industry is under 180 odd (on the street) THIRD generation Italian American shy/bookmaking/semi drug dealing brooklynites who've never been outside of the boroughs?
Seriously.
Just because Cali has relatives and connections in Italy, the Gambinos now control a 100mil drug pipeline into Montreal?
You guys are dreaming.
NY IS NY.
Can fanboys stop attaching NY to anything outside. Because NY IS NOT GLOBAL.
Frank Cali and his cousins aside. Montreal did, and does, and will not pay hide nor hare to what any NY goodfella says or does.
The talk of 'under the Gambinos or Bonnanos' is seriously beyond a joke.
Until the Gambinos send 400 guys to Toronto and Montreal to lay down the law. Canada pays zero. And I mean zero, heed.
The Calabrian clans in Toronto will now determine in consultation with Italy who will replace Vito. Vito's son will NOT be considered as he is a citizen. The Rizzuto reign is over, as is the Sicilian reign. The calabrians now have the power on Toronto and will install a pseudo puppet in Montreal.
Montreal is effectively broken and now an extension of the Calabrian clans (who do you think controls the coke?) To clarify what I had said on the other board and Strax later quoted me...I said Vito was always supported by the Gambino's. I never said, or meant to imply, Montreal was under a Gambino flag or under their control. I am not uneducated, nor any fanboy/girl. The Gambino family in Sicily has always remained close to the Caruana and Cun trera families. And for fact, I know Cali' has ties to them. If there is anything going to go on with the C-C families in Montreal it will tie into all of this somehow.
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