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If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Would his reign as Philly boss had been as bloodthirsty as Scarfo's? I know Testa started demanding tribute as soon as he was made boss, but would he have been as gung-ho to go after the Riccobenes for instance?
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Who knows scarfo was his consigliere right? So if scarfo had his ear. Im sure people woulda go clipped.prolly not as many.salvie would still be alive but him n his dad would b doing life prolly.plus didnt phil testa have a rico trial coming up? Bruno was a part to i believe till they eere killed.only 1person was convicted i believe but i cant remember who atm.gve me a few ill remember
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Who knows scarfo was his consigliere right? So if scarfo had his ear. Im sure people woulda go clipped.prolly not as many.salvie would still be alive but him n his dad would b doing life prolly.plus didnt phil testa have a rico trial coming up? Bruno was a part to i believe till they eere killed.only 1person was convicted i believe but i cant remember who atm.gve me a few ill remember Yes Testa,Bruno,Chickie Narducci, and Chickie Ciancaglini were all under indictment but since Ciancaglini was the only one left alive he was te only one convicted I believe he got 8 years for it
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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IMO Phil would of been a pretty decent boss. He was old school and im honestly surprised somebody had the balls to kill him and think they would get away with it. I think Testa would of been cool with Riccobenes old arrangement he had with Bruno. Phil would of definitely killed more often then Bruno would allow but I also dont think he would of been as crazy as scarfo. Scarfo was just a cowboy.
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet but it wouldn't have surprised me in the least if Scarfo eventually made a move on Phil Testa. Poor Phil was a dead man no matter what LOL Scarfo passed up being boss for Testa and was 100% rules first so I doubt he woulda made any "move" Completely agree. Scarfo didn't kill people to gain power, he killed them to retain power. There is a distinction.
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Had phil testa lived and went to jail it prolly woulda ended up good for the philly fam.hed be getting out as scarfo went in and probably woulda been boss.so no war with merlino and natale NEVER woulda been made and def not fukn boss.philly would prolly actually b a real mafia family now instead a shadow of 1.philly had some rich powerful guys but theres no1with that kinda money now.them days r long gone for philly.
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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he was anti drug and all about tradition. Anti drug? But didn't he tax drug dealers? It's basically the same as dealing drugs himself, as he was getting profit from it. Again there is a distinction. He wasn't dealing drugs and didn't turn a blind eye to those in his family that did. He was simply extorting drug dealers in his territory. Say what you will about Scarfo, but he followed the rules (with the exception of shooting Joe Salerno Sr.- Let's face it, no one follows the rules 100%). None of these guys are choir boys, they all knew the stakes of the game.
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Also, there is definitely a huge distinction between taxing dealers who are going to operate anyway and dealing drugs yourself. Well, I don't know. There have been plenty of mafia crimes when to commit them wasn't the boss's idea, when he just limited himself to give the ok. Yet, if it's proven, he can be prosecuted for the crime. So, how it's different with drugs? He didn't distance himself from it, he made profit from it, this makes him an accomplice both morally and juridically. Maybe if you just take a part of laundered money, you get a lesser sentence than you would have gotten had you directly supervised the dealing yourself, yet I wouldn't consider "anti-drug" anybody who launders money from drug traffickers or takes a part of the profit, since these actions encourage more drug dealing. I don't think there has ever been a boss who was REALLY anti-drug, meaning not only forbidding made members to deal, but also not having profit on the side.
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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scarfo was charged under the kingpin act; not sure if he was convicted of it. Testa was involved in drugs before he became boss. It may have been part of the rift between him and Bruno. I am in no way saying that any of them stood on the corner with nickel bags, but they financed MAJOR drug deals and made profits as a direct result of drug distribution. P2P.
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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scarfo was charged under the kingpin act; not sure if he was convicted of it. Testa was involved in drugs before he became boss. It may have been part of the rift between him and Bruno. I am in no way saying that any of them stood on the corner with nickel bags, but they financed MAJOR drug deals and made profits as a direct result of drug distribution. P2P. They were charged with running a CCE. Although it was drug related, he was not charged under the Kingpin act (He was acquitted of those charges anyway). Again, he was shaking down drug dealers and taxing the importation and sale of P2P. I think they were charging $2000 per gallon. I'm not saying Scarfo wasn't a piece of shit but he did not allow people in his family to knowingly sell drugs. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but he didn't turn a blind eye like Bruno and Testa.
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Re: If Chickenman Testa Wasn't Murdered?
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Ok, semantics. Technically, I agree that Scarfo was not directly selling drugs. But he was well aware of drug dealing by made members in his organization. Scarfo inducted Long John Martorano. He was a lifelong meth dealer who Bruno never made but kept close to him and collected drug money from. In his book, Crow says he set up a sale of P2P to a guy who would make it to crank and sell it for Crow. That's drug dealing. And Tommy Del/Crow/Charlie White knew the deal. There is a specific line in the book where Crow asks Tommy Del how he's gonna present selling P2P to Scaro because of the drug ban and Tommy Del says Scarfo won't care; a score is a score.
The Scarfo mob directly entered into drug dealing when they graduated from just taxing dealers who were importing P2P and financing other peoples deals to becoming directly involved in the importation and manufacture of meth. Through Del/crow, the mob took control of the P2P importation ring that Chick DiTullio was running with Stevie Vento.
At the time, 2 associates of the mob named Ralph Staino and Mousie Massimino (neither had their button) helped turn everyone from Vento's P2P import ring over to Scarfo, through Tommy Del and the Crow. The failed hit on little Stevie (jailed vento's 18 year old son) probably swayed everyone towards Scarfo, more so than anything.
Mousie wasn't involved in the robbery of P2P in Germany that Staino committed with Kelly. That robbery is what kicked everything off. Mousie's role was to establish a new route to get the P2P into the country. Remember, they cut Kelly out because he was part of Vento's ring and he was the organizer of getting the stuff over here.
No one in the ring was a made guy, until Crow and Del got their hands on it. That's how the feds pinned the charges on Scarfo. The charges likely were weak because Crow and Del both turned and they likely had the most involvement so the feds had to take in on the chin with those charges against Scarfo.
Further, the guys who actually got convicted of P2P importation were not mob guys. They were all guys who wanted to be with the mob and either did their time out of loyalty or FEAR of retribution.
You can picture Scarfo telling Del about the P2P "I don't wanna hear what it is or what it does, just show me the money when you are done doing whatever it is you are going to do with YOUR friend DiTullio. Oh, and by the way, Kill little Stevie Vento because he's not nice".
Scarfo knew what P2P was, what it did, and more importantly, how much money could be made from it. It's much easier to say to Gigante "we sell oil, I don't give a fuck what happens to it after that" than say, we are a big part of the crank production process.
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