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Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #747916
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Very prophetic by Chuck Goudie.

Thanks for sharing.

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Yep, Coalfire was on check please on friday. We were super busy on saturday and had a hour wait for a table. We get our meats from Bari and Publican. My favorite is the Pepperoni and Sausage pizza. The Pep and Sausage are spicey but not to hot.
The general manager told me the other day that Kurt Calabrese came in last month when I was off that day. Our oven cooks at 850 degrees and it takes only 3 minutes for a pizza to cook. Sorry for getting off topic.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #748005
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Does Kurt still run La Luce for his brother or did they sell it?

I tend to go for the more exotic stuff at Coalfire.

Isn't there another pizza place that opened recently where that Mexican place was right next to the carwash?

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #748011
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I actually think its still that Mexican joint. Surprised its still open though, it doesn't seem to do much business.

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South side has the best pizza!

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #748022
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Yeah Vito & Nick's is absolutely delish. Dont buy the Vito & Nick's II frozen pies though. Not the real thing.

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Love Vito and Nicks!

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The Little Jimmy footage is mint btw.

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Who was smoking the cigars with Little Jimmy in the video?

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From everything I've read, Marcello appears to be a really tough, hardcore individual. I would like to know more about his tenure in The Outfit but information on the Internet is limited. Family Secrets stuff and a little more is all I've found.

Any chance he might "cooperate" in order to get his life sentence reduced? And if he did cooperate, does he have enough info to leverage the Feds ? Like I said, he seems to be very hardcore and my questions are purely speculative.

Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
The Little Jimmy footage is mint btw.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: FriedRavioliFarts] #748058
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Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts

Who was smoking the cigars with Little Jimmy in the video?

Which minute in the vid are you referring to?

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
The Little Jimmy footage is mint btw.

Love how he refers to Goudie by his first name...lol like they're old pals.

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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
From everything I've read, Marcello appears to be a really tough, hardcore individual. I would like to know more about his tenure in The Outfit but information on the Internet is limited. Family Secrets stuff and a little more is all I've found.

Any chance he might "cooperate" in order to get his life sentence reduced? And if he did cooperate, does he have enough info to leverage the Feds ? Like I said, he seems to be very hardcore and my questions are purely speculative.

[quote=HuronSocialAthletic]The Little Jimmy footage is mint btw.


He would NEVER flip

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Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #748063
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I honestly couldn't see him flipping either.

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And the cigar part of the video is 22 minutes in

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: FriedRavioliFarts] #748065
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Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts

Who was smoking the cigars with Little Jimmy in the video?


Not sure but I've seen the pic before; if you look hard enough you might find it. I think it was on the FBIs Family Secrets evidence site.

Awesome video by the way.

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The footage of him strutting out the court house in the pink sport coat & shades is just classic.

All Cicero guys are hardcore individuals. He's a lot like his higher ups when he was on the rise. Carlisi, Ferriola, & Infelise: cold emotionless bosses. That's Little Jimmy's culture. He was a go getter from day one, and was a prolific earner almost immediately. He was organizing & funding huge job at a very early age, especially in the 70s & 80s, when seniority began to become priority #1 in the Outfit.

I honestly think he'd rather die than flip. He's like the anti John DiFronzo. He's currently locked up at Florence with Vinny Gorgeous.

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Yeah, the footage of him walking down the street reflects a certain amount of confidence. He definitely had "the walk."

I don't believe he or Lombardo will "roll," but I believe both have lots of information that would be welcomed by the feds. Marcello just leaves the impression of being a tough gangster. Short in stature but "tough as nails."
Just my thoughts based on limited reading.

Was not aware he was in Florence.

Thanks for the update.

Re: Chicago Outfit [Re: mattsto] #748079
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You never know what kinds of deals people are making.

But for them to walk him he'd have to put away a LOT of important people. That means not only knowing things, but being able to prove them. Lot easier said than done.

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Wonder if he has any input on things even locked up. Seems like the type who would still be able to influence things even on the inside.

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He did in his previous stint but it's probably different when they know you're gone for good.

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The mexican place is still next to the car wash on the corner of Grand and Ogden. It seems to change ownership every 2 years. Vito and Nicks is really good pizza. Speaking of Calabrese I think Bella Luna Cafe has the best pizza in the city. It's owned by Danny Alberga and Frank Calabrese jr. used to be part owner with the money he stole from his old man. Frank Sr. strong armed himself into part ownership until Danny paid him all the money back. Really good thin crust. Candlelight on western ave has really good pizza along with Calo on Clark at Foster.
I was by the old Hungry Hound in Bridgeport the other day. It's a mexican place now but they used to have craps and dice games in the back room in the 70's run by LaPietra's men. It's just off 26th st. under the Dan Ryan.
Frank Caruso still has the 24 hour maxwell st. stand on 31st near Comiskey Park. I love the smell of the place. All the grilled onions, you can smell it 4 blocks away.

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Is Marcello going to try to appeal again?

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I doubt it. I'm no lawyer but from what I understand with a murder conviction you basically have a couple of limited shots at an appeal. After that you can keep sending stuff to the courts indefinitely but they will likely not pay attention to it.

He's not stupid; I'm sure he realizes they're never going to let him out.

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Wasn't there some controversy with someone identifying his voice?

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Ha.. apparently not. Michael Spilotro's daughter had identified him from a "voice line up" years ago, testifying he had called the house a couple times the day they disappeared and that she remembered the voice as "Jim" and that he used to call all the time.

It was the only coroborating evidence that Marcello was at the Spilotro thing to support Calabrese's testimony, but apparently it was enough for the jury.

I'm sure some people thought it was pretty weak for a murder conviction.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos

I'm sure some people thought it was pretty weak for a murder conviction.

I thought quite a bit of the evidence in that trial was weak. Lombardo's conviction for example? The print I get, but the nail was Seifert's wife saying she was sure it was him even with the mask on? Seems like weak sauce.

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I agree. Have you ever been on a jury? It's not nearly as cut and dried as people think. It really comes down to a judgement call.

I was on a jury for a corrupt cop and we voted to convict and the judge came back afterward and said that basically we had made the wrong decision, probably, legally, but that it was still a good decision, more or less, as the guy was indeed corrupt. But the evidence was not what it really should have been. But, in aggregate, it was pretty clear the guy was corrupt.

John Binder put it this way, "...in this case the jury believed Nick Calabrese."

And that is pretty much what it boils down to, I suppose.

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Originally Posted By: Geek899273
The mexican place is still next to the car wash on the corner of Grand and Ogden. It seems to change ownership every 2 years. Vito and Nicks is really good pizza. Speaking of Calabrese I think Bella Luna Cafe has the best pizza in the city. It's owned by Danny Alberga and Frank Calabrese jr. used to be part owner with the money he stole from his old man. Frank Sr. strong armed himself into part ownership until Danny paid him all the money back. Really good thin crust. Candlelight on western ave has really good pizza along with Calo on Clark at Foster.
I was by the old Hungry Hound in Bridgeport the other day. It's a mexican place now but they used to have craps and dice games in the back room in the 70's run by LaPietra's men. It's just off 26th st. under the Dan Ryan.
Frank Caruso still has the 24 hour maxwell st. stand on 31st near Comiskey Park. I love the smell of the place. All the grilled onions, you can smell it 4 blocks away.




is it like the original maxwells or is it another bullshit imitation?

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Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts

Who was smoking the cigars with Little Jimmy in the video?


Kind of impossible to tell. I wondered whether the old man was Alphonse Tornabene, but he is too skinny. It could honestly be family. I've seen Jimmy's son before and one of them honestly could be him. I don't think Jimmy would have Outfit guys over to his house (most of them are ex-cons and he was on parole) but guys he did see I'm sure included Little Tony Zizzo, Sammy Cautadella, Sarno, Mickey and others.

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